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<<<<<< ============ - - - - Annual Scoring for 2021 (Jan-May) - - - - ============ >>>>>>>> High scores for nine locations shown in red, high scores for regions in bold. FORECASTER _________________DCA_NYC_BOS__east_ ORD_ATL_IAH__cent_ c/e ___ DEN_PHX_SEA__west___TOTALS DonSutherland1 ______________ 366 _380 _288 _ 1034 __341 _358 _312 _1011 __2045 __216 _378 _330 __924 ____ 2969 wxdude64 ____________________375 _395 _357 _ 1127 __241 _278 _263 __782 __1909 __283 _383 _335__1001____ 2910 Tom __________________________372 _413 _369 _1154 __200 _289 _298 __787 __1941 __258 _371 _304 __933 ____ 2874 BKViking _____________________ 348 _398 _332 _ 1078 __242 _336 _264 __842 __1920 __226 _354 _362 __942 ____ 2862 ___ Consensus _______________ 376 _400 _328 _ 1104 __238 _312 _282 __832 __ 1936 __216 _364 _346 __926 ____ 2862 hudsonvalley21 _______________ 354 _360 _352 _ 1066 __243 _348 _264 __855 __1921 __170 _348 _368 __886 ____ 2807 wxallannj ______________________318 _372 _282 __972 __190 _270 _338 __798 __1770 __280 _350 _386 _1016 ____ 2786 RodneyS ______________________ 306 _364 _278 __948 __235 _318 _266 __819 __1767 __260 _376 _354 __990 ____ 2757 Scotty Lightning _______________ 330 _358 _274 __962 __156 _326 _292 __774 __1736 __254 _370 _344 __968 ____ 2704 so_whats_happening __________ 369 _355 _250 __974 __274 _364 _197 __835 __1809 __170 _371 _311 __852 ____ 2661 ___ Normal ____________________ 306 _324 _244 __874 __128 _ 290 _300 __618 __1592 __314 _350 _332 __996 ____ 2588 RJay __________________________ 326 _340 _334 _1000 __260 _286 _228 __774 __1774 __150 _290 _284 __724 ____ 2498 Roger Smith ___________________ 272 _242 _138 __652 __243 _244 _300 __787 __ 1439 __176 _ 312 _332 __820 ____ 2259 Best scores for the locations and regions FORECASTER _______________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ east __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH __ cent __ c/e ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA __ west ___ Totals DonSutherland1 ______________ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 2 ______ 2 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 3 ____ 3 _____ 0 ____ 2 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Jan wxdude64 ____________________ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 2 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 2 _____ 1 __ Mar (t) Tom __________________________ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 1 _____ 1 __ May BKViking _____________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Apr ___ Consensus _______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ hudsonvalley21 _______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 2 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ wxallannj _____________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 2 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 2 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 1 _____ 0 __ RodneyS _____________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 _____ 1 __ Feb Scotty Lightning ______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ so_whats_happening _________ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Mar (t) ___ Normal ___________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 _____ 0 __ May RJay _________________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 3 _____ 1 ______ 1 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ Roger Smith __________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXTREME FORECAST STANDINGS High score must go to either the extreme warm or cold forecast, or second most extreme, for a station to qualify. So far this year, 30 locations out of 45 have qualified, 4 in Jan, 5 in Feb, 7 in March, 6 in April and 8 in May. Of those, 16 were awarded to warmest forecasts, 14 to coldest. A loss in the standings represents a case where second most extreme forecast had the high score and the win for that month. Normal can only win along with a forecaster. There have been two shared wins (one by three) accounting for the 33 total wins (excl Normal). FORECASTER _________ Jan __ Feb __ Mar _ Apr _ May ___ TOTAL to date DonSutherland1 _______ 2-0 __ 1-0 __ 2-0 __ 0-1 __ 2-0 ___ 7-1 Roger Smith ___________ 2-1 __ 2-0 __ ---- __ 1-0 __ 1-0 ___ 6-1 RJay ___________________ ---- __ ---- __ 2-0 __ 2-0 __ 1-0 ___ 5-0 wxallannj ______________ ---- __ ---- __ ----- __ 3-0 __ 2-0 ___ 5-0 wxdude64 _____________ ---- __ 1-0 __ 2-0 __ ----- __ ----- ___ 3-0 so_whats_happening ___---- __ 1-0 __ 2-0 __ ----- __ ----- ___ 3-0 Normal _________________---- __ ---- __ 2-0 __ ----- __ 1-0 ___ 3-0 RodneyS ______________ ----- __ ----- __ ----- __ ----- __ 2-1 ___ 2-1 Tom __________________ ----- __ ----- __ ----- __ ----- __ 1-0 ___ 1-0 BKViking ______________ ----- __ ----- __ ----- __ ----- __ 1-0 ___ 1-0 __________________________________________
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Final scoring for May 2021 The NWS has changed reporting to the 1991-2020 normals but as the contest specified 1981-2010 normals for this contest month, the anomalies reported will be adjusted (all but PHX will be adjusted up since 1981-2010 values are cooler than 1991-2020, PHX actually went down 0.1 from May 1981-2010 to May 1991-2020, not a very significant change). Small late penalties are shown as * per point lost. Total in brackets is before accumulated late penalties. A verification was made to ensure that CF6 reports were using 1991-2020 normals. DEN worked out to a value 0.2 below the 1991-2020 normal and 0.3 above the 1981-2010 normal. All eight other locations worked out to values identical to the 1991-2020 normal. The DEN anomaly may be either (a) a manual error or (b) a rounding issue within max and min. In any case it makes no difference to the outcome, I decided to take their reported actual value and the differential from 1981-2010 which worked out to a contest anomaly of --1.0 (would have been -0.8 had the same rounding issues been applied). As our lowest forecast was -0.6, the differential in scoring would have been the same. FORECASTER _____ _____ _____ DCA_NYC_BOS_east_ORD_ATL_IAH__cent_c/e_ DEN_PHX_SEA__west___TOTAL Contest anomalies (rel 1981-2010) __+0.1_+0.6_+3.5 __ __ _+1.1_--0.4_--0.6 __ __ __ __ --1.0 _+1.0 _+0.9 ___ Normal ___________________98 _ 88 _ 30 __ 216 __ 78 _ 92 _ 88 __258 _ 474 __ 80 _ 80 _ 82 ___ 242 ____ 716 Tom _________________________ 66 _ 80 _ 54 __ 200 __ 82 _ 68 _ 84 __234 _ 434 __ 90 _ 78 _ 98 __ 266 ____ 700 wxallannj _____________________ 74 _ 88 _ 50 __ 212 __ 68 _ 60 _ 98 __226 _ 438 __ 92 _ 76 _ 90 ___ 258 ____ 696 RodneyS ______________________74 _100_ 38 __ 212 __ 76 _ 76 _ 74 __226 _ 438 __ 84 _ 84 _ 84 ___ 252 ____ 690 DonSutherland1 ______________ 82 _ 92 _ 46 __ 220 __ 88 _ 66 _ 68 __222 _ 442 __ 44 _100_ 80 ___ 224 ____ 666 wxdude64 ____________________68 _ 82 _ 54 __ 204 __ 90 _ 66 _ 66 __222 _ 426 __ 62 _ 88 _ 74 ___ 224 ____ 650 Scotty Lightning ______________ 72 _ 82 _ 50 __ 204 __ 98_ 52 _ 48 __198 _ 402 __ 70 _ 90 _ 82 ___ 242 ____ 644 Roger Smith __________________ 74 _ 88 _ 54 __ 216 __ 92 _ 58 _ 64 __214 _ 430 __ 42 _ 74 _ 98___ 214 ____ 644 ___ Consensus ________________72 _ 88 _ 52 __ 212 __ 92 _ 62 _ 64 __218 _ 430 __ 44 _ 78 _ 90 ___ 212 ____ 642 BKViking _____________________ 74 _ 88 _ 52 __ 214 __ 92 _ 62 _ 44 __198 _ 412 __ 28 _ 78 _ 98 ___ 204 ____ 616 hudsonvalley21 _______________60 _ 72 _ 66 __ 198 __ 84 _ 70 _ 36 __190 _ 388 __ 26 _ 80 _ 94 ___ 200 ____ 588 so_whats_happening _ (-3%) __ 64** 87***43*__194 __95***49*50**_194 _ 388 __ 41* 72**87***__ 200 ___ 588 (606) RJay _________________________ 52 _ 62 _ 80 __ 194 __ 72 _ 62 _ 48 __182 _ 376 __ 10 _ 70 _ 82 __ 162 ____ 538 ________________________________________________ Extreme Forecast Report _ DCA _ DonSutherland1 wins with lowest forecast. (Normal also scores a win). _ NYC _ RodneyS wins with lowest forecast. _BOS _ RJay wins with highest forecast. _ORD _ For 1981-2010 anomalies highest scores were near our consensus (for 1991-2020 coldest forecast would win). _ATL _ RodneyS wins with lowest forecast. _IAH _ wxallannj wins with lowest forecast. _DEN _ wxallannj wins with lowest forecast. _PHX _ DonSutherland1 (second lowest forecast) has a win, RodneyS a loss (lowest forecast). _SEA _ Tom, BKViking and Roger Smith would share a win at +0.8 or higher. ============================================== How scores would vary with 1991-2020 normals used to score instead DCA, NYC, ATL, IAH, DEN would all be lower scores (anomalies further below all forecasts). BOS would all be higher scores (not as much warmer than all forecasts). -- nobody at any disadvantage in these cases. The net gain is 64 points vs using 1991-2020 (for these five). ORD had a higher differential in normal values than other locations. And it fell right into the middle of the forecasts. Those four with forecasts above +1.1 have a higher score by 30. Those between --0.4 and +1.1 have more similar scores which changed up or down by smaller amounts. The lowest forecast from wxallannj (--0.5) lost thirty points relative to score for 1991-2020 (98). RodneyS ended up 18 points lower. Most of the others gained slightly (but not the 30 points gained by warmer forecasts). So only two scores were really impacted significantly with a few smaller adjustments all of them a disadvantage to some extent. PHX only changed by 0.1 and in the downward direction unlike almost other changes in the normals. That means that the scores are all 2 points higher than they would be for 1991-2020, except for DonS and RodneyS who would score two higher with 1991-2020. SEA would come out in almost the opposite order, the new normal is +1.5 higher and the forecasts were generally between the anomalies that were generated by the two different values. The largest differentials are around 30 points. Wxallannj who up until this forecast was running at a disadvantage did relatively well by the change so that overall we reach a situation where using either normal would make only small and limited differences overall for scoring. ============================================== The annual scoring report will be along later today I hope, with an update on the "four seasons" scoring.
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2021 North Atlantic hurricane forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Tropical Headquarters
Just to confirm, Ana and any other named storms that occur before you post are in the final result for the contest which is simply this year's count (which people were nice enough not to comment, but I had it backwards in post one, it's named storms, canes, majors, but as everyone knows that probably didn't notice my mangling of the order). My guess is going to be 23/13/7 and there is no reasoning because I simply know this to be a fact (until proven otherwise). -
I have posted a full report on the 1991-2020 normals in the June thread, and they apparently are already replacing the 1981-2010 in NWS reporting, I believe ... (from the June thread ...) By the looks of the SEA current reporting, they have already switched to 1991-2020, the anomaly for 56.3 is reported as -0.8 which says that the "normal" for 1-26 is 57.1, comparing that to 1981-2010 and 1991-2020 it would appear that the report is relative to 1991-2020. Will discuss this with you all by private message and see what you think should happen for May, but for June we will take the reports using 1991-2020 so it's up to you to assess the new normals at the nine locations, hope you find the above tables useful in that regard. Some locations have warmed more than others (not only climate change at work but also urbanization issues).
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June 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
By the looks of the SEA current reporting, they have already switched to 1991-2020, the anomaly for 56.3 is reported as -0.8 which says that the "normal" for 1-26 is 57.1, comparing that to 1981-2010 and 1991-2020 it would appear that the report is relative to 1991-2020. Will discuss this with you all by private message and see what you think should happen for May, but for June we will take the reports using 1991-2020 so it's up to you to assess the new normals at the nine locations, hope you find the above tables useful in that regard. Some locations have warmed more than others (not only climate change at work but also urbanization issues). -
June 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Here are May and June normals for both intervals, the May data will be used to determine what reporting is in place for the May contest and the scoring will be based on an adjustment to 1981-2010 if necessary since all contest entrants agreed that they were providing forecasts relative to 1981-2010. I have added all the monthly normals for both intervals. Period ____________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA 1981-2010 _May ___66.0 _62.3 _57.9 __ 59.1 _ 70.1 _ 76.9 ___ 57.1 _ 82.1 _ 56.0 1991-2020 _May ___67.2 _63.2 _58.4 __ 60.6 _ 71.2 _ 77.4 ___ 57.4 _ 82.0 _ 57.5 1981-2010 _Jun ___ 75.2 _71.8 _67.7 __ 68.9 _ 77.3 _ 82.4 ___ 67.4 _ 90.8 _ 60.9 1991-2020 _Jun ___ 76.3_ 72.0 _68.0 __ 70.6 _ 77.9 _ 83.0 ___ 68.2 _ 91.4 _ 62.0 All months for reference: (DCA 1981-2010 _ 36.0 39.0 46.8 56.8 66.0 75.2 79.8 78.1 71.0 59.5 49.6 39.7) (DCA 1991-2020 _ 37.5 40.0 47.6 58.2 67.2 76.3 81.0 79.4 72.4 60.8 49.9 41.7) (DCA diff _________ 1.5 _ 1.0 _0.8 _1.4 _1.2 _1.1 _1.2 _ 1.3 _ 1.4 _1.3 _ 0.3 _ 2.0) ================================================ (NYC 1981-2010 _ 33.1 35.7 42.4 52.6 62.3 71.8 77.1 75.9 68.9 57.6 47.9 37.9) (NYC 1991-2020 _ 33.7 35.9 42.8 53.7 63.2 72.0 77.5 76.1 69.2 57.9 48.0 39.1) (NYC diff _________ 0.6 _ 0.2 _ 0.4 _1.1 _0.9 _0.2 _0.4 _ 0.2 _ 0.3 _0.3 _0.1 _1.2) ================================================ (BOS 1981-2010 _ 29.0 31.7 38.3 48.1 57.9 67.7 73.4 72.1 64.9 54.0 44.7 34.7) (BOS 1991-2020 _ 29.9 31.8 38.3 48.6 58.4 68.0 74.1 72.7 65.6 54.8 44.7 35.7) (BOS diff __________0.9 _ 0.1 _0.0 _0.5 _0.5 _ 0.3 _ 0.7 _0.6 _ 0.7 _0.8 _0.0 _ 1.0) ================================================= (ORD 1981-2010 _23.8 27.7 37.9 48.9 59.1 68.9 74.0 72.4 64.6 52.5 40.3 27.7) (ORD 1991-2020 _25.2 28.8 39.0 49.7 60.6 70.6 75.4 73.8 66.3 54.0 41.3 30.5) (ORD diff _________ 1.4 _1.1 _1.1 _0.8 _1.5 _1.7 _1.4 _1.4 _1.7 _1.5 _ 1.0 _ 2.8) ================================================= (ATL 1981-2010 _ 43.3 47.2 54.3 62.0 70.1 77.3 80.2 79.4 73.5 63.3 54.0 45.3) (ATL 1991-2020 _ 44.8 48.5 55.6 63.2 71.2 77.9 80.9 80.2 74.9 64.7 54.2 47.3) (ATL diff _________ 1.5 _1.3 _1.3 _ 1.2 _ 1.1 _0.6 _ 0.7 _ 0.8 _ 1.4 _1.4 _0.2 _2.0) ================================================= (IAH 1981-2010 _ 53.1 56.4 62.7 69.5 76.9 82.4 84.4 84.6 79.8 71.5 62.3 54.4) (IAH 1991-2020 _ 53.8 57.7 63.8 70.0 77.4 83.0 85.1 85.2 80.5 71.8 62.0 55.4) (IAH diff _________ 0.7 _ 1.3 _1.1 _ 0.5 _0.5 _ 0.6 _0.7 _ 0.6 _0.7 _0.3 _--0.3 _1.0) ================================================= (DEN 1981-2010 _30.7 32.5 40.4 47.4 57.1 67.4 74.2 72.5 63.4 50.9 38.3 30.0) (DEN 1991-2020 _31.7 32.7 41.6 47.8 57.4 68.2 75.1 72.9 64.8 51.1 39.4 31.2) (DEN diff _________ 1.0 _0.2 _ 1.2 _0.4 _0.3 _0.8 _ 1.3 _ 0.4 _1.4 _0.2 _1.1 _ 1.2) ================================================== (PHX 1981-2010 _56.4 59.7 65.2 72.7 82.1 90.8 94.8 93.6 88.4 76.7 64.1 55.4) (PHX 1991-2020 _56.8 59.9 66.3 73.2 82.0 91.4 95.5 94.4 89.2 77.4 65.1 55.8) (PHX diff _________0.4 _ 0.2 _1.1 _ 0.5 _--0.1 _0.6 _0.7 _0.8 _0.8 _0.7 _1.0 _ 0.4) ================================================== (SEA 1981-2010) _ 42.0 43.4 46.5 50.3 56.0 60.9 65.7 66.1 61.3 52.8 45.4 40.6) (SEA 1991-2020 _ 42.8 44.0 47.1 51.3 57.5 62.0 67.1 67.4 62.6 53.8 46.5 42.0) (SEA diff __________0.8 _ 0.6 _0.6 _1.0 _ 1.5 _1.1 _1.4 _1.3 _1.3 _ 1.0 _ 1.1 _ 1.4) -
June 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Update: I am reading press releases stating that the 1991-2020 normals will be in use perhaps even this month (May) so I assume they will be used for the June CF6 products that are used to score the forecasts. Hold off on posting until I can get a list of 1981-2010 and 1991-2020 normal values for the nine locations, to see if some stations have significant differences. -
Predict the temperature anomalies for the usual nine locations ... check back closer to the deadline for any updates as I try to find out if the NWS plans to change to 1991-2020 normals for June. For now, will assume entries are relative to 1981-2010. Will score them as such unless otherwise tagged, if I can establish the differentials. Also due to the timing of Memorial Day weekend, probably will not start charging late penalties until June 2nd, if you don't see a table of forecasts you can edit on June 1st without penalty. DCA __ NYC __ BOS ___ ORD __ ATL __ IAH ____ DEN __ PHX __ SEA
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Anomalies and tracking future trends from the GFS ... _____________________________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH __ DEN _ PHX _ SEA _11th _____ (anom 10d) _____ --1.7 _ --2.8 _ --0.2 __ --2.5 _--0.9 _+2.4 __ --0.3 _+4.4 _--0.6 _23rd _____ (anom 22d) _____ --1.1 _ +0.6 _ +3.8 __ +0.5 _--2.4 _--0.9 __ --1.0 _+2.5 _--0.4 _30th _____ (anom 30d) est __--1.0 __ 0.0 _ +3.3 __ --0.3 _--1.4 _--1.0 __ --1.0 _+1.2 _--0.9 _30th _____(anom 30d 81-10)_+0.2 _+0.9 _ +3.8 __ +1.2 _--0.3 _--0.4 __ --0.5 _+1.1 _+0.6 _31st-1st __ final anom ______ --1.1 _--0.3 _+3.0 __ --0.4 _--1.5 _--1.2 __ --1.3 _+1.1 _--0.6 verified all the above are rel to 1991-2020 . _31st-1st __ contest (1981-2010) anom ______________________________+0.1 _+0.6 _+3.5 __ +1.1 _--0.4 _--0.6 __ --1.0 _+1.0 _+0.9 _11th _____ (p anom 20d) ___ --2.0 _ --2.5 _ --1.5 __ --2.0 _ --1.5 __0.0 __ +0.5 _+4.0 _+1.0 _11th _____ (p anom 31d) ___ --1.5 _ --2.0 _ --1.0 __ --1.5 _ --1.0 _--0.5 __ +1.0 _+3.0 _+1.5 _23rd _____ (p anom 31d) ___ +1.0 _ +3.0 _ +4.0 __ +3.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ +1.0 _+3.0 _+0.5 _30th _____ (p anom 31d) ___ +0.2 _ +0.5 _ +3.3 __ +1.0 __ 0.0 _ --0.2 __ --0.5 _+1.0 _+0.8 _______________________________ 11th _ The month has started out rather cold across the northern half of the U.S. (lower 48) and warmer than average closer to the southern border and the Gulf of Mexico. The projections above are based on the following: (days 1-10) continued rather cold in the east but this regime spreading further south to include ATL and IAH in below normal northeast wind patterns, west warming esp valid SEA and DEN, then days 11 to 16 and beyond for a month end projection just took normal values in east expecting a warming trend beyond the model run, and a +2.0 anomaly for western locations days 11-20. 23rd _ Back to warmer weather after mid-month, some of the anomaly projections were not quite as far off as they look because of the difference in update time (to 22nd) and projection (to 20th), but a warmer look now to end of month in most cases, will result in warmer end of month projections. 30th _ The most recent projections have been thrown into disarray by the huge negative anomalies on the backside of the east coast low, and the introduction of 1991-2020 normals which are higher (as discussed below) therefore the reported anomalies are lower by that much also. Will be working out what the anomalies should be for the contest since you all made forecasts based on 1981-2010 normals for May. As I've been saying we will go with the reported anomalies relative to 1991-2020 from June onward. For now, the numbers I am using to start the provisional scoring process are my estimates of what the contest anomalies will be, the 1991-2020 anomalies will be lower by various amounts. See the June thread for more details. (11th, 23rd) _ Checked for snow at contest sites, just a trace at DEN on 10th. Probably not quite time to call the contest yet (latest updates are in the April contest thread).
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It's no longer Greek to me, the simplified format makes scoring easy, especially if everyone scores zero. Hopefully we won't have a repeat of the astronomical distorted season last year, last time I checked, 59/8/-2. So this year once again just predict the count at the end of the year, Majors, all canes, all named storms (e.g. 18/10/5). We'll say June 10 for a deadline, may extend it if the season is slow to get going and/or entries have fallen short of a good number. Edit your entries without notice before June 10, won't be making any notes although I will read them.
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Table of forecasts for May, 2021 FORECASTER _____ _____ _____ DCA _ NYC _ BOS ___ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA __ bias (rel to con) RJay _________________________ +2.5 _ +2.5 _ +2.5 __ +2.5 _ +1.5 _ +2.0 __ +3.5 _ +2.5 __ 0.0 ___ +0.89 hudsonvalley21 ______________ +2.1 _ +2.0 _ +1.8 __ +1.9 _ +1.1 _ +2.6 __ +2.7 _ +2.0 _ +0.6 ___ +0.68 Tom _________________________ +1.8 _ +1.6 _ +1.2 __ +0.2 _ +1.2 _ +0.2 __ --0.5 _ +2.1 _ +0.8 ___ --0.41 so_whats_happening _ (-3%) __ +1.8 _ +1.1 _ +0.7 __ +1.2 _ +2.1 _ +1.8 __ +1.9 _ +2.3 _ +0.4 ___ +0.20 wxdude64 ____________________ +1.7 _ +1.5 _ +1.2 __ +0.6 _ +1.3 _ +1.1 __ +0.9 _ +1.6 _ --0.4 ___ --0.22 Scotty Lightning _______________+1.5 _ +1.5 _ +1.0 __ +1.0 _ +2.0 _ +2.0 __ +0.5 _ +1.5 __ 0.0 ___ --0.06 ___ Consensus ________________ +1.5 _ +1.2 _ +1.1 __ +0.7 _ +1.5 _ +1.2 __ +1.8 _ +2.1 _ +0.4 Roger Smith __________________ +1.4 _ +1.2 _ +1.2 __ +1.5 _ +1.7 _ +1.2 __ +1.9 _ +2.3 _ +0.8 ___ +0.19 BKViking _____________________ +1.4 _ +1.2 _ +1.1 __ +0.7 _ +1.5 _ +2.2 __ +2.6 _ +2.1 _ +0.8 ___ +0.26 wxallannj _____________________ +1.4 _ +1.2 _ +1.0 __ --0.5 _ +1.6 _ --0.5 __ --0.6 _ +2.2 _ +0.4 ___ --0.59 RodneyS ______________________ +1.4 _ +0.6 _ +0.4 __--0.1 _ +0.8 _ +0.7 __ --0.2 _ +0.2 _ +0.1 ___ --0.84 DonSutherland1 _______________ +1.0 _ +1.0 _ +0.8 __ +0.5 _ +1.3 _ +1.0 __ +1.8 _ +1.0 _ --0.1 ___ --0.36 ___ Normal _____________________ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ___ --1.28 _________________________________________________________________ Color codes for warmest and coldest forecasts, Normal is colder than all forecasts for DCA, NYC, BOS, ATL, PHX. Bias is the average departure of your forecast from consensus. The bias of normal tells us that our average forecast is +1.28.
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April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
<<<<<< ================ - - - - Annual Scoring for 2021 (Jan-Apr) - - - - ==================== >>>>>>>> High scores for nine locations shown in red, high scores for regions in bold. FORECASTER _________________DCA_NYC_BOS__east_ ORD_ATL_IAH__cent_ c/e ___ DEN_PHX_SEA__west___TOTALS DonSutherland1 ______________ 284 _288 _242 __814 __253 _292 _244 __789 __1603 __172 _278 _250 __700 ____ 2303 wxdude64 ____________________307 _313 _303 __923 __151 _212 _197 __560 __1483 __221 _295 _261 __ 777 ____ 2260 BKViking _____________________ 274 _310 _280 __864 __150 _274 _220 __644 __1508 __198 _276 _264 __738 ____ 2246 ___ Consensus _______________ 304 _312 _276 __892 __146 _250 _218 __614 __ 1506 __172 _286 _256 __714 ____ 2220 hudsonvalley21 _______________ 294 _288 _286 __868 __159_278 _228 __665 __1533 __144 _268 _274 __686 ____ 2219 Tom __________________________ 306 _333 _315 __954 __118 _221 _214 __553 __1507 __168 _293 _206 __667 ____ 2174 wxallannj ______________________244 _284 _232 __760 __122 _210 _240 __572 __1332 __188 _274 _296 __758 ____ 2090 so_whats_happening __________ 305 _268 _207 __780 __179 _315 _147 __641 __1421 __129 _299 _224 __652 ____ 2073 RodneyS ______________________ 232 _264 _240 __736 __159 _242 _192 __593 __1329 __176 _292 _270 __738 ____ 2067 Scotty Lightning _______________ 258 _276 _224 __758 __ 58 _274 _244 __576 __ 1334 __184 _280 _262 __ 726 ____ 2060 RJay __________________________ 274 _278 _254 __806 __188 _224 _180 __592 __ 1398 __140 _220 _202 __562 ____ 1960 ___ Normal ____________________ 208 _236 _214 __658 __ 50 _ 198 _212 __460 __ 1118 __234 _270 _250 __754 ____ 1872 Roger Smith ___________________ 198 _154 _ 84 __436 __151 _186 _236 __573 __ 1009 __134 _ 238 _234 __606 ____ 1615 ____________________________________________________________________________ Best scores for the locations and regions FORECASTER _______________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ east __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH __ cent __ c/e ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA __ west ___ Totals DonSutherland1 ______________ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 ______ 2 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 3 ____ 2 _____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Jan wxdude64 ____________________ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 2 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 2 _____ 1 __ Mar (t) BKViking _____________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Apr ___ Consensus _______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ hudsonvalley21 _______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 2 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ Tom __________________________ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ wxallannj _____________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 1 _____ 0 __ so_whats_happening _________ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Mar (t) RodneyS _____________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 _____ 1 __ Feb Scotty Lightning ______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ RJay _________________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 2 _____ 1 ______ 1 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ ___ Normal ___________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 _____ 0 __ Roger Smith __________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXTREME FORECAST STANDINGS High score must go to either the extreme warm or cold forecast, or second most extreme, for a station to qualify. So far this year, 22 locations out of 36 have qualified, 4 in Jan, 5 in Feb, 7 in March and 6 in April. Of those, 14 were awarded to warmest forecasts, 8 to coldest. A loss in the standings represents a case where second most extreme forecast had the high score and the win for that month. Normal can only win along with a forecaster. There has been one shared win accounting for the 23 total wins (excl Normal). FORECASTER _________ Jan __ Feb __ Mar _ Apr ____ TOTAL to date DonSutherland1 _______ 2-0 __ 1-0 __ 2-0 __ 0-1 ____ 5-1 Roger Smith ___________ 2-1 __ 2-0 __ ---- __ 1-0 ____ 5-1 RJay ___________________ ---- __ ---- __ 2-0 __ 2-0 ____ 4-0 wxdude64 _____________ ---- __ 1-0 __ 2-0 __ ---- ____ 3-0 so_whats_happening ___---- __ 1-0 __ 2-0 __ ---- ____ 3-0 wxallannj ______________ ---- __ ---- __ ----- __ 3-0 ____ 3-0 Normal _________________---- __ ---- __ 2-0 __ ---- ____ 2-0 __________________________________________ -
April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Final scoring for April 2021 _______(anomalies) _______ +1.4_+1.6_+2.7 ______ +3.0_+0.9_--0.9 __________ --1.2_+4.0_+2.7 FORECASTER _____________DCA_NYC_BOS_ east _ORD_ATL_IAH_ cent_ c/e __DEN_PHX_SEA__west___ TOTAL BKViking __________________ 92 _ 98 _ 70 __ 260 __ 88 _ 96 _ 54 __ 238 _ 498 __ 72 _ 42 _ 26 __ 140 ____ 638 wxdude64 _________________92 _100 _ 84 __ 276 __ 84 _ 84 _ 42 __ 210 _ 486 __ 60 _ 46 _ 32 __ 138 ____ 624 hudsonvalley21 ____________96 _ 94 _ 76 __ 266 __ 78 _ 96 _ 58 __ 232 _ 498 __ 36 _ 54 _ 36 __ 126 ____ 624 DonSutherland1 __________ 100 _ 98 _ 78 __ 276 __ 88 _ 86 _ 76 __ 250 _ 526 __ 22 _ 40 _ 28 __ 090 ____ 616 ___ Consensus _____________96 _ 94 _ 70 __ 260 __ 74 _ 98 _ 58 __ 230 _ 490 __ 36 _ 50 _ 28 __ 114 ____ 604 Tom ______________________ 98 _100 _ 78 __ 276 __ 74 _ 98 _ 62 __ 234 _ 510 __ 52 _ 38 _ 36 __ 126 _ 636 Tom _________ (-5%) ________93 _ 95 _ 74 __ 262 __ 70 _ 93 _ 59 __ 222 _ 484 __ 49 _ 36 _ 34 __ 119 ____ 603 Scotty Lightning ___________ 92 _ 88 _ 56 __ 236 __ 40 _ 98 _ 62 __ 200 _ 436 __ 36 _ 60 _ 66 __ 162 ____ 598 so_whats_happening ______ 88 _ 78 _ 46 __ 212 __ 76 _ 86 _ 40 __ 202 _ 414 __ 32 _ 76 _ 62 __ 170 ____ 584 wxallannj __________________64 _ 66 _ 38 __ 168 __ 30 _ 62 _100__ 192 _ 360 __ 86 _ 50 _ 86 __ 222 ____ 582 RJay ______________________ 78 _ 82 _ 96 __256 __ 90 _ 78 _ 22 __ 190 _ 446 __ 26 _ 50 _ 46 __ 122 ____ 568 ___ Normal ________________ 72 _ 68 _ 46 __ 186 __ 40 _ 82 _ 82 __ 204 _ 390 __ 76 _ 20 _ 46 __ 142 ____ 532 RodneyS __________________ 62 _ 64 _ 46 __ 172 __ 72 _ 88 _ 70 __ 232 _ 404 __ 02 _ 42 _ 14 __ 058 ____ 462 Roger Smith _______________76 _ 40 _ 00 __ 116 __ 40 _ 88 _ 22 __ 150 _ 266 __ 00 _ 80 _ 36 __ 116 ____ 382 __________________________________________________________________________ Extreme forecast report __ DCA +1.4 _ not an extreme forecast outcome. NYC +1.6 _ does not qualify (wxdude +1.6, fourth highest forecast) BOS +2.7 _ win for RJay (+2.5). ORD +3.0 _ win for RJay (+2.5), loss for Don Sutherland1 (+3.6). ATL +0.9 _ does not qualify. IAH --0.9 _ win for wxallannj (--0.9). DEN --1.2 _ win for wxallannj (--0.5). PHX +4.0 _ win for Roger Smith (+3.0). SEA +2.7 _ win for wxallannj (+2.0). -
Predict the temperature anomalies for these nine locations: DCA _ NYC _ BOS ___ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA As far as I know the anomalies in use will continue to be 1981-2010. If this changes before the deadline I will get in touch with entrants. If it changes during the month with 1991-2020 to be used at end of month, I will try to find the differentials to apply and unless otherwise notified your forecasts will be assumed to be with reference to 1981-2010 normals. We will do the seasonal max forecasts this summer but I'll add that to June this year.
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April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Winter Snowfall contest 2020-2021 -- Table of entries and scoring _ updated for April snowfalls (at DTW, BUF, DEN, BTV). The red highlighted numbers are best forecasts at this stage, and those underlined are settled as such because all forecasts have already been passed or for ORD the max forecast is closer than the others although not yet passed. BOS is tied for best forecasts on either side (37.0, actual 38.5, 40.0). (Apr 23 update _ DEN added 12.6" BUF, DTW and BTV 3-5" amounts since last report, as shown. ) Note _ for current total departure, the first number is your total error at this point. The second value in brackets is the total of "non-reducible errors" for those stations that have passed your forecast. Your total departure can improve if more snow falls at stations where your forecast is higher than current values. It can only be increased by snow falling where your forecasts are now passed. All of us have been passed at NYC, DEN and SEA. All but one have been passed at ORD. Nobody has been passed yet at BTV (contest leader RJay would be first and has 1.9" to spare). Two forecasters have some left to use up at DTW, and BUF has only passed contest leader RJay and current third place wxallannj. FORECASTER ______ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ ORD _ DTW _ BUF ___ DEN _ SEA _ BTV ___ current total dep snowfall to Apr 22___5.4 __ 38.6 _ 38.5 __48.8 _ 44.9 _ 77.0 __ 80.2 _ 12.9 _ 63.1 RJay ________________8.0 _ 20.0 _ 35.0 __ 40.0 _ 40.0 _ 75.0 __ 65.0 __ 4.0 _ 65.0 _____ 66.4 (61.9) __ consensus _______14.5 _ 28.2 _ 40.0 __ 40.0 _ 44.1 _ 87.0 __ 59.6 __ 5.1 _ 78.3 ______ 84.2 (48.4) wxdude64 _________ 13.2 _ 29.7 _ 45.9 __ 41.7 _ 44.2 _ 97.7 __ 73.2 __ 7.1 _ 84.1 _____ 86.4 (29.5) wxallannj __________ 21.0 _ 29.0 _ 37.0 __ 43.0 _ 47.0 _ 70.0 __ 51.0 __ 5.2 _ 77.0 _____ 92.4 (60.8) hudsonvalley21 ____ 16.3 _ 30.4 _ 44.5 __ 39.7 _ 48.2 _ 87.9 __ 61.1 __ 6.8 _ 83.2 _____ 93.7 (42.5) Don Sutherland1 ____ 6.0 _ 11.5 _ 28.0 __ 38.5 _ 44.0 _ 87.0 __ 57.5 __ 3.4 _ 72.9 _____101.4 (81.0) Tom _______________ 18.1 _ 29.8 _ 42.5 __ 43.3 _ 44.1 _102.5__ 59.6 __ 4.2 _ 78.3 _____101.8 (44.4) RodneyS ____________ 4.4 __ 8.5 _ 20.0 __ 31.6 _ 38.0 _ 78.9 __ 55.5 __ 5.1 _ 66.6 _____111.6 (106.2) Roger Smith _______ 14.5 _ 28.2 _ 60.5 __ 35.5 _ 39.9 _ 80.5 __ 55.5 _ 12.5 _ 90.5 ____ 115.8 (53.8) Scotty Lightning ____15.0 _ 25.0 _ 40.0 __ 50.0 _ 40.0 _125.0__ 75.0 __ 3.0 _ 90.0 ____ 120.8 (33.6) snowfall to Apr 22 ___5.4 __ 38.6 _ 38.5 ___48.8 _ 44.9 _ 77.0 __ 80.2 _ 12.9 _ 63.1 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Not much more snow is expected anywhere now, and since everyone has been passed by DEN, further snowfall there will have no impact on the results. The same is true of ORD since only Scotty Lightning can gain any ground and that would be a net of 3.0" before he also joins the rest of the field. The main potential for change would be snow at DTW which would assist third place wxallannj and hudsonvalley21, but they only have 2.1" and 3.3" to use, their net gain can be twice those amounts, meaning that both could pass wxdude64 but not RJay. (at around 2.6" hudsonvalley would pass wxallannj). More snow at BUF could give wxdude64 back his advantage over wxallannj but hudsonvalley21 would keep pace. It would take a fairly large dump of snow at BUF to overtake RJay who is already passed there. Unless that happens I think the contest is fairly well settled now. -
April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
It would only be the last two maps in play for our contest implications, and those are annual averages, various months at various locations may show odd variations -- I expect most of the 1991-2020 normals to be in the range of 0.5 to 1.0 F deg higher than the ones we have been using, whether that's going to be significant to our estimates is probably near the edge of our presumed tolerances anyway. If it's possible I will post the differentials for each location with each monthly announcement once I know that the NWS will be giving us anomalies in the new time frame. Haven't heard anything new, still on the lookout for that info (Don seemed to think it could be June). In other news, I have updated the anomaly tracker (two posts back) and found some extra snow for the contest sites in recent days, so that table will come over here from March in an updated form soon. Provisional scoring will follow. I have a feeling our consensus was pretty close. My cold came a little too late to tip the scales. -
April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
After two weeks these are the anomalies and projections ... ___________________________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS ___ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA 15th ___ (anom 14d) ______ +3.0 _ +3.5 _ +3.9 __ +8.3 _ +2.5 _ +0.8 __ +3.2 _ +8.9 _ --1.4 23rd ___ (anom 22d) ______ +1.0 _ +1.4 _ +2.9 __ +3.6 _ +0.5 _ --2.1 __ --3.2 _ +5.8 _ +2.8 15th ___ (p 21d) __________ +1.5 _ +1.5 _ +1.5 ___ +4.5 _ +1.0 __ 0.0 __ +1.0 _ +7.0 _ +1.5 15th ___ (p 30d) __________ +1.0 _ +1.0 _ +1.0 ___ +2.5 _ +1.0 __ 0.0 __ +1.5 _ +5.5 _ +1.5 23rd ___ (p 30d) __________ +1.5 _ +2.0 _ +2.5 ___ +3.0 _ +1.5 _ --1.0 __ --1.0 _ +4.0 _ +2.0 1st ___ (final anoms) _____ +1.4 _ +1.6 _ +2.7 ___ +3.0 _ +0.9 _ ---0.9 __ --1.2 _ +4.0 _ +2.7 ____________________ 15th _ A relatively warm start to the month in most regions, except the Pac NW which is warming rapidly towards a few days of near 80 F, while the eastern half of the country looks set to chill a bit anyway, with the longer term outlook returning closer to normal with variations, so the projections are based on a colder pattern for about a week to ten days then up and down near average in the east, sustained warmth in the west except that DEN gets into occasional cold northeast flows. No new snow at any of the contest sites so that report stays over in March for now. (note BOS anom estimated, 4.1 to 13th, +1 for 14th not added to CF6 report yet). 23rd _ A day late getting to the verification which is probably better than it looks because anomalies were changing fairly quickly in past two days. The projection to end of month is based on the idea that warm anomalies will outweigh cold by 2:1 as different sectors move through, so that the downward slide currently going on may continue for a couple more days then a reversal to much warmer temperatures will occur in the east, while DEN and IAH will get into very warm air soon and then turn a bit cooler. Except for DEN there have not been large changes in these projections since last week's effort. (note: these changes will need to be made to snowfall contest amounts _ DTW +3.6" (44.9") BUF +4.9" (77.0") BTV +3.5" (63.1") DEN +12.6" (80.2") The snowfall contest post in March will be updated and moved into this thread later today. 1st _ Posting final anomalies and adjusting scoring. Some final anomalies are close estimates based on 29th CF6 and 30th climate report. I am also checking against Apr 2020 CF6 to verify that normal values derived from anomalies quoted are same (i.e., 1981-2010). So far these are verified results: DCA same (both 56.8) NYC was -0.1 diff, 53.0 this year, 53.1 last year, BOS same (both 48.1) ORD was -0.1 diff, 48.9 this year, 49.0 last year (could be a rounding with NYC,ORD, or new normal is almost same as old one, in any case not significant to scoring really) ATL same (both 62.0) IAH same (both 69.5) DEN was -0.1 diff, 47.4 this year, 47.5 last year PHX same (both 72.7) SEA same (both 50.3) __ I think the 0.1 differences may be second decimal rounding results, these are obviously same normal sets as used a year ago. For example, let's say a month ends 59.23 and normal is 59.37, then the difference is -0.14 or -0.1 although from rounded values it would be -0.2. So I have convinced myself that we are still using 1981-2010 normal values for this month. __ all updated now __ scoring also updated (being double checked) -
In the net-weather thread I have recently edited in these new data and a few corrections: (a) March 2021 at 45.8 F (7.67 C) was t13 warmest with 1995, and Toronto (4.0 C) was t9 with 2020. (b) March 2021 at 3.41" was t60th driest with 1879. The trace of snowfall is tied with seventeen other years ranked t-4th. Only 1878, 1903 and 2012 recorded zero (no traces) snowfalls in March. (c) A new daily record of 82 F was set on March 26, 2021 (replaced 76 1922). (d) New high mins were set or tied on March 11th (52 broke 48 1898) and 26th (52 tied 1986). (e) An error was found in the max daily temps, Oct 15 should read 1956 rather than 1930 (84 F was okay). (f) The 65 F record for Dec 28 was later tied in 2008. (g) The 60 F record on Jan 24, 1967 was not color coded. Some of these additions or errors can be adjusted if you downloaded the excel file. The corrections and additions will appear in the next instalment due around June 2, 2021. I am working on a log of record and notable daily highs, which tracks the evolution of the final set through a set of "starter records" for 1869 to 1900, adjustments to 1930 (about half the starters are broken in that interval), then any other new records in chronological order to the eventual record high (if not already set), then any notable close calls and a complete log of warmest days in the recent past (1991-2021 incl). This is about three-quarters finished and is the reason why I found the errors noted above. Hopefully this work will establish that all the listed records are correct. I plan to do the same for record lows where the starter records are going to do a lot better in terms of surviving later challenges. If you downloaded the Toronto file, there was just one error found since then, a ranking error, the details are in the net-weather thread.
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April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Table of forecasts for April, 2021 FORECASTER _____________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS ___ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA ___ bias RJay ______________________ +2.5 _ +2.5 _ +2.5 __ +3.5 _ +2.0 _ +3.0 ___ +2.5 _ +1.5 __ 0.0 ___ +1.08 BKViking __________________ +1.8 _ +1.7 _ +1.2 __ +2.4 _ +1.1 _ +1.4 ___+0.2 _ +1.1 _ --0.9 ___ --0.03 wxdude64 _________________+1.8 _ +1.6 _ +1.9 __ +2.2 _ +1.7 _ +2.0 ___ +0.8 _ +1.3 _ --0.6 ___ +0.27 Tom ___________ (-5%) ______+1.5 _ +1.6 _ +1.6 __ +1.7 _ +1.0 _ +1.0 ___ +1.2 _ +0.9 _ --0.5 ___ --0.03 DonSutherland1 ___________ +1.4 _ +1.7 _ +1.6 __ +3.6 _ +0.2 _ +0.3 ___ +2.7 _ +1.0 _ --0.8 ___ +0.16 hudsonvalley21 ____________+1.2 _ +1.3 _ +1.5 __ +1.9 _ +0.7 _ +1.2 ___ +2.0 _ +1.7 _ --0.4 ___ +0.09 ___ Consensus _____________+1.2 _ +1.3 _ +1.2 __ +1.7 _ +1.0 _ +1.2 ___ +2.0 _ +1.5 _ --0.8 Scotty Lightning ___________ +1.0 _ +1.0 _ +0.5 ___ 0.0 _ +1.0 _ +1.0 ___ +2.0 _ +2.0 _ +1.0 ___ --0.09 so_whats_happening ______ +0.8 _ +0.5 __ 0.0 __ +1.8 _ +1.6 _ +2.1 ___ +2.2 _ +2.8 _ +0.8 ___ +0.26 Roger Smith _______________+0.2 _ --1.4 _ --2.7 ___ 0.0 _ +1.5 _ +3.0 ___ +4.5 _ +3.0 _ --0.5 ___ --0.30 ___ Normal _________________ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ___ --1.14 wxallannj _________________ --0.4 _ --0.1 _ --0.4 __ --0.5 _ --1.0 _ --0.9 ___ --0.5 _ +1.5 _ +2.0 ___ --1.18 RodneyS __________________--0.5 _ --0.2 __ 0.0 __ +1.6 _ +0.3 _ +0.6 ___ +3.7 _ +1.1 _ --1.6 ___ --0.70 __________________________________________________________________________ Color codes show warmest and coldest forecasts. All forecasts above normal at PHX. Bias is a measure of your average departure from consensus forecasts (which average 1.14 above normal). There may be different tendencies in the east and west in some cases. -
March 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
<<<<<< ================ - - - - Annual Scoring for 2021 (Jan-Mar) - - - - ==================== >>>>>>>> High scores for nine locations shown in red, high scores for regions in bold. FORECASTER _________________DCA_NYC_BOS__east_ ORD_ATL_IAH__cent_ c/e ___ DEN_PHX_SEA__west___TOTALS DonSutherland1 _______________184 _190 _164 __538 __165 _206 _168 __539 __1077 __150 _238 _222 __610 ____ 1687 wxdude64 _____________________215 _213 _219 __647 __ 67 _128 _155 __350 ___ 997 __161 _249 _229 __ 639 ____ 1636 ___ Consensus ________________ 208 _218 _206 __632 __ 72 _152 _160 __384 __ 1016 __136 _236 _228 __600 ____ 1616 BKViking ______________________ 182 _212 _210 __604 __ 62 _178 _166 __406 __1010 __126 _234 _236 __596 ____ 1606 RodneyS ______________________ 170 _200 _194 __564 __ 87 _152 _122 __361 ___ 925 __174 _250 _256 __680 ____ 1605 hudsonvalley21 ________________ 198 _194 _210 __602 __ 81 _182 _170 __433 __1035 __108 _214 _238 __560 ____ 1595 Tom ___________________________ 213 _238 _241 __692 __ 48 _128 _155 __331 __1023 __119 _257 _172 __548 ____ 1571 wxallannj ______________________ 180 _218 _194 __592 __ 92 _148 _140 __380 ___ 972 __102 _224 _210 __536 ____ 1508 so_whats_happening ___________217 _190 _161 __568 __103 _229 _107 __439 __1007 __ 97 _223 _162 __482 ____ 1489 Scotty Lightning _______________ 166 _188 _168 __522 __ 18 _176 _182 __376 ___ 898 __148 _220 _196 __ 564 ____ 1462 RJay __________________________ 196 _196 _158 __550 __ 98 _146 _158 __402 ___ 952 __114 _170 _156 __440 _____ 1392 ___ Normal _____________________136 _168 _168 __472 __ 10 _116 _130 __256 ___ 728 __158 _250 _204 __612 ____ 1340 Roger Smith ___________________ 122 _114 _ 84 __320 __111 _ 98 _214 __423 ___ 743 __134 _ 158 _196 __490 ____ 1233 ____________________________________________________________________________ Best scores for the locations and regions FORECASTER _______________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ east __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH __ cent __ c/e ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA __ west ___ Totals DonSutherland1 ______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 2 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 2 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Jan wxdude64 ____________________ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 2 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 2 _____ 1 __ Mar (t) ___ Consensus _______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ BKViking _____________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ RodneyS _____________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 _____ 1 __ Feb hudsonvalley21 _______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 2 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ Tom __________________________ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ wxallannj _____________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ so_whats_happening _________ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 2 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 1 __ Mar (t) Scotty Lightning ______________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ RJay _________________________ 0 ____ 1 ____ 1 _____ 1 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 1 _____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ ___ Normal ___________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 _____ 0 __ Roger Smith __________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 ______ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 1 ____ 0 _____ 1 ____ 0 ____ 0 _____ 0 _____ 0 __ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXTREME FORECAST STANDINGS High score must go to either the extreme warm or cold forecast, or second most extreme, for a station to qualify. So far this year, 16 locations out of 27 have qualified, 4 in Jan, 5 in Feb and 7 in March. Of those, ten were awarded to warmest forecasts, six to coldest. A loss in the standings represents a case where second most extreme forecast had the high score and the win for that month. Normal can only win along with a forecaster. There has been one shared win accounting for the 17 total wins (excl Normal). FORECASTER _________ Jan __ Feb __ Mar _____ TOTAL to date DonSutherland1 _______ 2-0 __ 1-0 __ 2-0 _____ 5-0 Roger Smith ___________ 2-1 __ 2-0 __ ---- _____ 4-1 wxdude64 _____________ ---- __ 1-0 __ 2-0 _____ 3-0 so_whats_happening ___---- __ 1-0 __ 2-0 _____ 3-0 RJay ___________________ ---- __ ---- __ 2-0 _____ 2-0 Normal _________________---- __ ---- __ 2-0 _____ 2-0 __________________________________________ -
April 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
+0.2 __ --1.4 __ --2.7 __ 0.0 __ +1.5 __ +3.0 ___ +4.5 __ +3.0 __ --0.5 Blocking in Atlantic may mean a lot of northerly flow east of about CLE to BWI, warm in the central plains but another cool trough west coast. -
March 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Final scoring for March 2021 Final anomalies __________ +4.4 _ +3.3 _ +3.7 __ +6.3 _ +4.8 _ +1.7 ___ --1.0 _ --1.1 _ --0.9 ... small late penalties of 1 or 2 points incorporated where * or ** appear. For slightly larger late penalties on Tom, raw scores in orange, adjusted below in regular type. ORD was scored by "max 60" rule but ATL ended up with a raw score of 72 so by the rules it was scored by raw scores for all forecasts. The scores marked with ^ symbol are adjusted up from raw scores to progression (60, 54, 48 etc). Late penalties reduced some by 1 pts. FORECASTER _________________ DCA_NYC_BOS__east__ORD_ATL_IAH__cent_ c/e __ DEN_PHX_SEA__west____TOTAL wxdude64 __________ (-1%) _____73*_ 79*_ 63*__215 __ 06^_ 26 _ 89*__119 __ 334 __ 75*_ 55*_ 95*___ 225 ____ 561 so_whats_happening (-2%) _____73*_ 78** 61*__212 __ 47^_ 71*_ 65*__183 __ 395 __ 43*_ 33*_ 90**__ 166 ____ 561 hudsonvalley21 ________________52 _ 68 _ 68 __ 188 __ 30^_ 52 _ 88 ___ 170 __ 358 __ 48 _ 44 _ 98 ____ 190 ____ 548 Tom ___________________________56 _ 74 _ 70 __ 200 __ 24^_ 40 _ 96 __ 160 __ 360 __ 60 _ 68 _ 78 ____ 206 _ 566 ____________________ (-5%) ______53 _ 70 _ 67 __ 190 __ 23 _ 38 _ 91 ___ 152 __ 342 __ 57 _ 65 _ 74 ____ 196 ____ 538 RJay __________________________ 62 _ 84 _ 76 __ 222 __ 42^_ 34 _ 94 ___170 __ 392 __ 30 _ 28 _ 78 ____ 136 ____ 528 ___ Consensus ________________ 50 _ 64 _ 52 __ 166 __ 30^_ 28 _ 94 ___ 152 __ 318 __ 58 _ 54 _ 98 ____ 210 ____ 528 DonSutherland 1 ______________ 42 _ 62 _ 50 __ 154 __ 60^_ 54 _ 72 __ 186 __ 340 __ 36 _ 72 _ 76 ____ 184 ____ 524 BKViking ______________________ 50 _ 62 _ 46 __ 158 __ 42^_ 26 _ 94 __ 162 __ 320 __ 58 _ 56 _ 78 ____ 192 ____ 512 wxallannj ______________________40 _ 64 _ 52 __ 156 __ 54^_ 28 _ 92 __ 174 __ 330 __ 36 _ 54 _ 82 ____ 172 ____ 502 Scotty Lightning _______________32 _ 54 _ 36 __ 122 __ 12^_ 24 _ 94 __ 130 __ 252 __ 60 _ 48 _ 82 ____ 190 ____ 442 ___ Normal ____________________12 _ 34 _ 26 __ 072 __ 10^_ 04 _ 66 ___ 080 __ 152 __ 80 _ 78 _ 82 ____ 240 ____ 392 RodneyS ______________________ 10 _ 30 _ 24 __ 064 __ 18^_ 04 _ 70 __ 092 __ 156 __ 62 _ 66 _ 92 ____ 220 ____ 376 Roger Smith ___________________00 _ 06 _ 00 __ 006 __ 00 _ 00 _ 56 ___ 056 __ 058 __ 60 _ 54 _ 94 ____ 208 ____ 266 __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ EXTREME FORECAST REPORT Five locations saw a high score going to warmest forecast(s) and two for the coldest. DCA had a tie between so_whats_happening and wxdude64 who both predicted +3.1 (final +4.4). NYC and BOS both go to RJay with +2.5 forecasts (NYC prov +3.5, BOS final +3.7). ORD heads to DonSutherland1 (+3.0) (actual +6.3) and ATL to so_whats_happening with +3.2 (actual +4.8). DEN will be a win for wxdude64 (-2.2) as well as Normal (actual -1.0). PHX will be a win for DonSutherland1 with +0.3 as well as Normal, with outcome -1.1. IAH (+1.7) and SEA (-0.9) are out of the running with consensus closer than the extreme forecasts. So in total that's two wins each for Normal, RJay, DonSutherland1, wxdude64 and and so_whats_happening. ______________________________________________ Annual update has been posted and is now also confirmed. Looks very competitive after March. We had a tie for scoring lead in March, congrats to wxdude64 and so_whats_happening who overcame slight late penalties; Tom actually had a higher score before his somewhat larger late penalty reduced the outcome to fourth place. -
February 2021 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Four seasons contest results -- winter 2020-21 Belated report on the first instalment of the Four Seasons contest report. Points awarded for total scores Dec 2020 to Feb 2021. Highest total gets ten points and second receives seven, from there down to two points for seventh and one point for anyone who entered 2/3 contests or more. FORECASTER _____________ TOTAL SCORE DEC 2020 + JAN-FEB 2021 ___ POINTS DonSutherland1 ___________ 730 + 1163 = 1893 _________________________ 10 RodneyS __________________ 616 + 1229 = 1845 __________________________ 7 ___ Consensus ____________ 689 + 1088 = 1777 __________________________ 6 hudsonvalley21 ___________ 716 + 1047 = 1763 __________________________ 6 BKViking __________________ 668 + 1094 = 1762 __________________________5 Tom ______________________ 668 + 1033 = 1701 ___________________________4 wxallannj _________________ 668 + 1006 = 1674 ___________________________ 3 Scotty Lightning __________ 586 + 1020 = 1606 ____________________________2 wxdude64 ________________ 500 + 1075 = 1575 ___________________________ 1 RJay ______________________ 686 + 864 = 1550 ____________________________ 1 Roger Smith _______________580 + 959 = 1539 ____________________________ 1 ___ Normal ________________ 524 + 950 = 1474 ____________________________ 1 so_whats_happening ______ dnp + 928 = 928 ____ (2/3) ___________________ 1 ______________________________________________________________ Points for consensus and Normal do not alter the progression of points for forecasters.