michsnowfreak

I got back from spending 5 days in the beautiful U.P. I got to see 5 more days with snow on the ground to add to the 25 days I've had at home, making this Winter a little more bearable. Had a great time with some gorgeous scenery but I do have to say the bad snow year is evident everywhere. I've been going to snow belt areas on a Winter trip for 17 years now and I can never recall seeing so few snowmobilers because the conditions are so bad. Many trails are dirt and ice. The snow pack was unusually low everywhere. There was around 15 to 18" of snow on the ground in Houghton. They should have about 3 to 4'. I stayed in a remote area near L'anse (just outside the huron mtns and keewenaw) and had 8 to 11" in the yard. There was grass with just patches and piles of snow at the mackinaw bridge and in St Ignace when you enter the upper peninsula. My brother, who joined us on the trip coming up from Chicago, noted that once he got north of Green Bay (where they had a few fresh inches of snow the day before) there was absolutely no snow on the ground in northern Wisconsin for a stretch. This made me think of beavis's rants and how even north of 45 North it is not a good Winter. It's a stinker and they happen. Next year is practically bound to be a better pattern (though I'm sure there will be have and have nots). The most snow I saw was near Munising, a bit over 2 feet (last year they had 4-5 feet otg at this time).

I think/hope he is joking. 1 crap Winter is not a new climo lol

Wow. 20.1" here. Detroit is 19.7". Definitely you can thank the lake lol.

Very interesting that 1982-83 is minneapolis' snowiest Winter. That was a bad snow Winter just South of there in the Midwest. Sort of a similar set up to this year

Wow I've noticed in many snowfalls how much less they get in Toledo than here, but I didn't realize the numbers were that low! Almost like the state is a dividing line sometimes lol.

The grindr ruler

Looks like quite the icy glaze at home. Freezing rain (0.10") finished with 0.3" snow. 20.1" on the season. DTW had 0.4", 19.7" on the season. I'm in the UP and it's beautiful but the roads are icy from heavy rain a few days ago. The snow iced up and has a fresh coating to make it look nice.

I wonder if they are using always coop data which always runs low/missing data for some areas which brings the curve down. It's definitely inaccurate in southeast MI Detroit 2019-20: 43.7" (-1.3) 2020-21: 44.9" (-0.1) 2021-22: 47.1" (+2.1") 2022-23: 19.3 (-12.5") thru 2/15 Cumulative -11.8 Flint 2019-20: 53.7" (+1.6) 2020-21: 48.6" (-3.5) 2021-22: 60.5" (+8.4) 2022-23: 28.9" (-8.5") thru 2/15 Cumulative -2.0

Leaving for up north. In an un weenie like fashion, I'm trying to beat any snow/ice and be north of it by the time it hits MI. Just don't need to prolong an 8 hour drive any more.

When a storm is on your doorstep, what better thing to do than ignore the storm completely and post an op model run 372 hours out that will change in a few hours.

Nyc?

I'm going to start touting that the coming Feb will be a "Feb 2015 cold redux" every Nov-Jan for the hell of it.

If it's an active gambler's pattern, the last thing anyone's going to want to do (but they'll do it anyway) is hop on board any one op model run solution for anything.

Even if it turns out to be a mild March, it's not gonna be those insane departures of 2012. Enjoy the flip flopping cfs.

1899-00 was an insane winter. It started out so slow. Then Feb and Mar killed it. 58.2" fell in Feb & Mar. The Winter total was 69.1". Thru Jan weenies would have been so snow hungry. Then bam. 14.0" on Feb 28 & 16.1" on Mar 4/5.

Yes Feb has killed it. In 2021 we had 11" of snow on Feb 15-16 over a 5" base. In 2018 we had a 9" snow Feb 10 over a 6" base. But 2014 would be the last time we had deep snows over an already double digit base. Fun fact. The Winter with the most double digit inch snow depth days? 2013-14 by a mile. 2nd place? 2014-15. Sorry not sorry 1970s lol.

Too funny how that works. In 2003-04 I came very close (5.8" Jan 14 & 5.9" Mar 16/17). Biggest in 2011-12 was 4.9" (Feb 11/12) biggest in 2015-16 was 4.9" (Nov 21). I didn't realize you have 3 such good storms there in 2015-16. I had 4-point-something in each of the 3 here.

Nice try. 2006- 1" 2007- 8" 2008- 4" 2009- 2" 2010- 6" 2011- 9" 2012- 3" 2013- T 2014- 16" 2015- 13" 2016- 2" 2017- -- 2018- 12" 2019- 1" 2020- 2" 2021- 6" 2022- 4" 2023- --

I hate it but I suppose we are due. We've been on a historic run of snowy Februarys. Detroit has only seen 0.1" of snow this month, although snow did cover the ground the 1st 7 days. The last week of the month has definitely piqued my interest.

This is only the 2nd Valentines Day in the last 18 years without snow on the ground.

The only problem with that is I'm headed North early Thursday morning. Lol but the magnet will be ready for the following week.

I mentioned it the other day and got a few hahas but seriously, there's building cold in Canada and warmth in the South. That will create a big temp contrast and with the weather turning active, potential is there. Best of all, with me taking a trip up North (even though the snow is subpar up there, there is still snow), I'll be busy enough to not have to watch the models until I get home Monday night.

It was definitely crazy. The warmth came with very low humidity so it's not like it was uncomfortable it was just very out of place. March 2012 finished with a departure here of +13.5ﾟ. Then of course as you mentioned the most epic Winter of all time hit in 2013-14. But one thing that doesn't get enough credit is February 2015 for its brutal cold. Between the winter of 2013-14 & a record snowstorm to start Feb 2015, many forget just gow cold it was. DTW finished -13.9°, a greater departure than March 2012.

Models absolutely make it seem worse than it actually is. In the 23 years of this century, I've only seen 3 winters without a 6"+ snowstorm (2015-16, 2011-12, 2003-04). For me, 6+ storms the last 10 winters: Jan 25, 2023: 6.2" Feb 17/18, 2022: 6.8" Feb 2/3, 2022: 9.3" (2 waves 6.0+3.3) Feb 15/16, 2021: 10.8" Jan 18, 2020: 7.0" Nov 11/12, 2019: 8.8" Jan 19, 2019: 6.1" Feb 9, 2018: 9.2" Dec 13/14, 2017: 6.7" Dec 11, 2016: 10.9" Feb 1/2, 2015: 16.5" Mar 12, 2014: 6.8" Feb 5, 2014: 8.3" Jan 26/27, 2014: 6.1" Jan 5/6, 2014: 10.3" Jan 1/2, 2014: 11.6" Dec 13/14, 2013: 8.4"

Those are my FAVORITE!