michsnowfreak

Very few people would move just for the weather, but if you actually did move North you'd be fine. Warming is less pronounced away from the ocean. Here is the average Winter temperature per decade over the last 100 years for DC, Detroit, & NYC. The temperature rise at Detroit, especially if you take out the cold period 1960s-80s, is minimal. Even DC/NYC are on par with where they were in the 1990s. ............DCA...DTW...NYC 1920s- 36.3 - 26.7 - 32.5 1930s- 37.9 - 28.1 - 34.4 1940s- 36.7 - 27.0 - 32.9 1950s- 38.6 - 28.5 - 35.3 1960s- 35.6 - 26.5 - 33.2 1970s- 37.7 - 24.6 - 33.3 1980s- 37.7 - 26.3 - 34.9 1990s- 39.3 - 28.7 - 36.4 2000s- 38.4 - 27.8 - 35.5 2010s- 39.8 - 28.2 - 36.1

Exactly. I always look at the one on weatherbell. The only thing worth looking at on the actual CFS site is to see if today's graphic will be used as troll material for Cromartie.

Detroit's latest average went up about 2" as well. A sub-climo Winter is frustrating to any snow weenie whether they average 5" or 105". But sucky winters are going to happen, especially after snow records toppled like dominoes 2005-2015). Even since things have tamed down since that stretch, the past 5-7 years have been pretty average snow wise. When you look at the big picture, it's definitely not snowing less than it used to in our region. Which is why I wonder if it really is snowing less in the mid Atlantic or if it's just a bad stretch with no big storms (assuming big storms make up majority of their snow).

Saw this parking lot mountain. Should take a while to melt this one haha.

Stumbled upon this thread as a snow weenie lol. Seasonal snowfall in much of the Great Lakes is increasing. It is most pronounced in the snowbelts but even outside of the snow belts... the 2010s were the snowiest decade on record for Detroit dating to the 1870s. 9 of the 16 snowiest winters have occurred since 2003, including the snowiest winter on record (2013-14). Average snowfall so far for the 21st century is 47", compared to just 40" in the 20th century. The average amount of days annually with 1" or more of snow on the ground in the 21st century is 51 compared to 50 in the 20th century. So essentially, we are averaging several more inches of snowfall but staying steady with days with snow on the ground. Im not the stat expert on other Midwest cities, but I can concur that many in the Great Lakes have their snowiest Winter's list peppered with years from the 2000s-2010s. Like seemingly everybody else, this is a down season here. To date DTW is at 19.3". Should this continue through April it would be a below average snow season. But only 3 of the past 10 winters have featured below average snowfall. Since we are a more northern latitude, patterns play just as big if not a bigger role than actual temperature deviations in terms of how much snow falls. I understand the frustration down there, but I wouldn't be writing off snow because of a few down years, especially and you're more "feast-or-famine" climate.

Not true. For whatever reason clippers, while they occur, are just less frequent overall. Locally we had more clippers but less snow overall in the 1990s then we get now. Go figure.

This milder Winter notwithstanding, we've been seeing less clippers for years even in colder winters with many cold fronts. We've not had a problem getting snow from many other ways, but they hey day of clippers seems past.

It's gross out with temperatures in the 50s. The snow, which had covered the ground since Jan 22, has now melted (Except for piles).

I just checked for Detroit. In 142 years of snow records, 29 times the seasons biggest snowstorm has occured in March and 3 times in April. This is 22.5% of the time. It has not happened since 1996, which is by far the longest stretch on record without Mar/Apr storm being king of the season. For it to happen this year so far the number to beat is 6.5" from January 25th.

I don't know what this means but I'm always for a cold March and April lol.

Historically it's actually not uncommon at all to have the seasons biggest snowstorm come in March.

It looks mild the next 2 weeks but I'm sure nothing that will make the trees bud. Then looking like a cold March.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but honestly I'm really feeling a good March for this region. It's been so long. We have not had what I would consider a real snowy March here since 2008. In the 15 years since we've had multiple snowy months of every other month from November through April. This year has definitely bucked certain trends of recent years, so why not go all out. Up to this year, it was getting almost comical that we could predict snow for SE MI... Nov- 250% of average Dec- 20% of average Jan- 80% of average Feb- 250% of average Mar- 20% of average Apr- 200% of average

The last 3 years April has outsnowed March. Let's reverse that trend this year as well. 2020: Mar 1.8", Apr 4.7", May 0.7" 2021: Mar T, Apr 4.5" 2022: Mar 3.7", Apr 4.4"

The average Feb snowfall for the last 15 years at Detroit has been 18.2". Literally double the 20th century average. That includes 9 of the 15 years being 20+ and several in the 25-32" range. Looks like this Feb is finally proving things can go wrong. Look out March, the lions will roar.

In the milder winters I really get out to enjoy the good periods when they are present. Obviously I do the same in the cold snowy winters but there's more leeway and room for laziness then. Ive spent more time outdoors the past couple weeks than I do in summer lol, getting the most out of Winter fun while we've had a good solid snowblanket. Same thing around Christmas. It was a beautiful white Christmas but it was more than just a scenic touch to add to the holiday, I spent time outdoors that week as well, even during the brutal wind chills. I'm really feeling late February into March for this sub forum but regardless of what happens then I am totally with you. I will get immense pleasure out of a palm killing spring deep freeze.

There were some incredible swings in the 19th century here from Winter to Winter. This 5 year stretch was insane: 1877-78 very mild 1878-79 bitter cold 1879-80 warm 1880-81 bitter cold 1881-82 record warm

Hit 42 today. After a solid 2 week stretch, snow getting patchy but still more snow than grass.

In my opinion 2017-18 is a highly underrated Winter here. It came after the record smashing snowy stretch from 2005 to 2015, and since 17-18, it's been pretty average snow-wise as a whole (and we know that average is unacceptable for many a snow weenie lol). Ended up with a season total of 62.5" here and at DTW the 61.0" ranks as the 15th snowiest winter. However Detroit's northern suburbs cashed in far better, with 87.3" at the White Lake DTX NWS office and some unofficial reports nearing 100" in the micro climate snow belt of northern Oakland County. Pics below are from 2-9-18.

Feb 2018 was the only warmer than avg month of that cold season, and it was only due to the torch the last 10 days of the month. It was actually a snowy month here. And yes, that April ice storm was something.

Went to a local ice festival today and there were some cool ice sculptures there. @beavis1729 my throne is made of ice.

You are indeed correct. Tomorrow will mark the 14th day in a row with 1"+ on the ground, and it will be the 23rd day this season so far. Been a sucky winter but could be worse. Snow depth is taken at 7am. On January 22nd, snow started just after that time. By 9am it was 1" So essentially the day was white but it will still go into the books as 0 depth. Having a set observation time for depth is a good thing though because it all averages out in the long run. December 29th, our 7th and final day and the Christmas snow cover stretch had 1" on the ground at 7 AM but it was down to patches by late morning and gone by evening. Pre 1950 the obs depth was 7pm.

Looks like one heck of an extreme from 1857 to 1858.

A spring snow can be incredibly scenic while it's going on and shortly thereafter, but you want to forget about snow cover by that point. We've had a 2-5" type snowfall 3 years running now in late April (Apr 17, 2020, Apr 20, 2021, Apr 18, 2022). Makes for incredible photo ops but is mostly gone in a day or two. It's been nice the past few weeks to have a solid snowpack but the coming week looks like crap. Quite optimistic for later February into March tho.

I totally understand as we always say, different strokes were different folks. Not sure if you're counting 2017-18 or not, but that was a good snowy winter. Since then it's been much more "average" overall but February 21 was definitely a good month to see deep snow and we did have an 11" snow storm. But again regarding beavis I would bet my last dollar that if you offered him a Winter with 80" of snow including 2 storms over a foot but constant thaws/torches leaving more bare ground than snow...or a Winter with 35" of snow, constant cold and no bare ground the entire Winter he would take the latter in a heartbeat. It's been a pretty cold week but we are gonna warm up this week. I got some tears while walking in the park yesterday due to the cold. But that's after being out for prolonged period. Just stepping in-and-out even the bitterest cold doesn't bother me at all.