michsnowfreak

Tired of the heat yet? DFW 113 days 90+ this year, max 110 DTW 2 days 90+ this year, max 90

The color is well ahead of schedule so it will be interesting to see how much, if at all, the coming period of warmth will slow it.

If you dare to challenge the most outrageous claims (new climate is 70 in January in WI with flamingos) or don't attribute every single solitary weather event to climate change, you don't believe in cc lmao. Learn how the weather works sometime.

Very gray autumn skies the last few days

Five very smart birds to leave their native florida, skip a ton of states between FL & WI, and land in WI. It will probably be an extremely smooth transition for them to go from 0 sub-freezing nights a year to 130 sub-freezing nights a year.

Looks more like Wisconsin's late May climo.

Its a sign that they got caught in the winds of Hurricane Idalia. Make sure to let us know how they are doing when its 0F out.

Make sure to give us a color report. Color is popping like crazy here, Ill bet its very colorful up there!

No, my objection is that your sample size is 13 years lol. The mean average maximum temp at Flint for the past 13 years is almost as warm as it was for the 13-year period 1930-1942. But really Im done discussing this. I mean, using 1961-90 normals and a 13-year dataset starting with a very well-known stretch of torrid summers was one thing...but now that we are discounting 1930s-50s data for one excuse or another, I think ill pass on discussing this tenths of degrees data anymore. Our climate is heavily influenced by the Great Lakes and even as climate changes, always will be.

The sun sets on summer. Welcome astronomical Autumn!

You're right. In southern Georgia.

I agree. See Nov 12, 2019

Last years peak fall color was the earliest in years, and was a stark difference to the late peak in 2021. I am wondering what 2023 will hold? Color continues to pop more and more by the day, and a friend posted a pic of a tree of his that he said is "14 days earlier than last year", which was already an earlier peak. If we were going to be in a below average temperature pattern I would all but guarantee a very early peak, but with warmer than avg weather looming, Id say its a crapshoot at this point (altho a late peak seems unlikely).

We finally agree on something!

Wow I just noticed Grand Rapids had 14 days. Just crazy how the heat continuously hit a wall in eastern MI.

Yes, DTW is in a suburban location. At an airport full of concrete. Obviously the ASOS is on a grassy area, but it still matters. You place that thermometer a half mile south of airport property in grassy/wooded areas and its instantly colder (especially at night). But Im sorry...you know why 1931-60 looks warmer? Because it WAS warmer. There were absolutely brutal summers in the 1930s-50s. Heatwaves of 1931, 1934, 1936, 1953, & 1955 were worse than anything I have ever experienced. And in all of those heatwaves, the temps were even HOTTER outside of the city per multiple recording stations. And newspaper accounts of actual temperatures registered on the street (likely not properly or fully shaded) were ungodly.

Im fine with banter. But we will never agree lol. I wasnt making it so much a big deal about only having 2 days of 90F, though that is impressive. It was more the unique record of not passing up 90 for a record long stretch. I remember the outlandish predictions that we would average 50+ days of 90F+ by mid-century LMAO. We have NEVER gotten close to that once, yet we are going to magically AVERAGE that in a few decades? Its a joke, thats why the absolute lack of 90s this summer is noteworthy. Summers in the 1800s were notably cooler, unlike winters, so many of our "lack of heat" records come from then. In the last 100 years, only twice has there been less 90F days (1979 & 2000, each with 1) and 1 other time with 2 (1992). Our frequency of hot summers and snowy winters the past few decades are both impressive from a climo standpoint. I never said otherwise. I dont like hot summers, but I have to deal, and thats why I loved this summer. But whats more notable here is warmer summer nights, not days, in summer. Predictions of quadrupling+ our 90F+ days are just not happening. Avg annual 90Fs per decade at Detroit 1880s- 5 1890s- 9 1900s- 6 1910s- 11 1920s- 9 1930s- 17 1940s- 16 1950s- 15 1960s- 11 1970s- 12 1980s- 13 1990s- 12 2000s- 10 2010s- 16 2020s- 12 Oh, last but not least. Fun fact to the original post. Dayton summer temps 1931-60 were 1.6F warmer than 1961-90, and Cincinnati summer temps 1931-60 were 1.4F warmer in 1961-90. So Detroit would have to start heating up MORE just to reach mid-20th century Ohio summer temps.

By no means, was it a hot summer in Chicago, but I do remember a few hot days the difference was just crazy. can't remember what day this picture is from, but saw this on more than one occasion.

The midwest climate of hot summers and cold winters is fairly unique on a global scale, a true definition of 4 seasons...and one thing that's sometimes easy to forget here in MI is despite our winter cold and summer heat, the Lakes are always buffering the extremes (though this summers constant buffer seemed a bit more anomalous). It's crazy some of the annual extremes out in MSP and especially the plains.

So comparing a 14-year summer dataset for Detroit, starting right when the stretch of hot summers started, to the coldest 30-year normals in the period of record for Ohio is "relevant". But stating the fact that 2023 saw Detroit's lowest annual max temp since 1915 is cherry picked. Sure, Jan. Oh and I'm aware Milwaukee hit 101. I even made a separate post about the big difference from the western lakes to eastern lakes this summer. But MKE didn't have "lots" of other days in the mid-90s. They had ONE other day lol.

Had to since the temps were far from ablazing this summer!

It was fun this summer watching the heat just hit a wall most of the time before making its way to the eastern Lakes. Crazy to see the disparity between Chicago and here. # of 90F days in 2023 Milwaukee- 10 (max 101) Chicago- 21 (max 100) Minneapolis- 32 (max 98) Detroit- 2 (max 90) Flint- 2 (max 91) Cleveland- 2 (max 91)

After a pleasant summer and fairly dry September so far, the colors are poppin. Hoping the upcoming warmth isnt too much of a hinderance.

I didnt know you cared for cherry picked data so much. Ill post a TON of fun snow stuff for you with winter coming. Speaking of relevant to our area, it was so nice to have such a pleasant summer here while the sweltering occurred to our south. Lowest annual max temp in 108 years. So refreshing. Great Lakes ftw.

I am not afraid to backup facts to people like climatechanger. He wants to pull out the "you dont believe in climate change" card, then thats ignorant. Huge difference between believing in climate change versus following a hard-nosed agenda.