michsnowfreak

He trolled with it mid winter trying to pass it off as real grass color and Joe called him out by screenshotting an earlier post where he admitted to painting it green. He must paint the snow green too because milwaukee shows 39 days last season with 1"+ snow on the ground, but he just recently said he had green grass almost all last winter.

The only misconception I had was that you actually understood the weather and just loved trolling. Now I realize that while you're certainly trolling in every post, you legit don't really understand how the weather or your climate works.

His question was not serious, he knows better. The monthly temperature departures can be way above average and the southern Great Lakes will still see snow.

1881 is the warmest September at Detroit by 2.4° over 2nd place. Incredibly warm month which would be followed by the warmest Winter on record. And all this after the harsh 1880-81 winter.

I dont either, and you see it every year. "its too early" for the furnace in early October, so youll freeze in your house. Not willing to set the thermostat to 68 while its in the 40s outside, but they have no problem setting it to 68 when its 0 outside in mid-winter, which goes without saying the furnace is working way harder in Jan than October. And you see the same thing in May when some say its "too early" to turn on the AC.

Thaws usually ruin those odds, although you add in the trace days and you get more. Again, those days include either a dusting of fresh snow (on previous bare ground) or the even more popular days where the snowcover has gotten patchy. Unfortunately you wont find that in xmacis, so youd have to have a full collection of the data and do the stats yourself lol. Xmacis shows the T data, but theres no way to compute it into streaks of any kind. The top 5 winters with most days with T+ snowcover at Detroit. 121 days - 1977-78 119 days - 1925-26 118 days - 1976-77 117 days - 2013-14 116 days - 1958-59

The snowcover records date to the turn of the 20th century. I dont have data for the 1870s-1906 or so. Winters that likely would have made the top 5s for snowcover I have estimated: 1880-81 (top 5 whitest), 1881-82 (top 5 barest), 1889-90 (top 5 barest), 1903-04 (top 5 whitest). 1981-82 was above average with 47 days of measurable snow, but not near the top. 1947-48 was an interesting winter in that it was cold and void of any heavy snowfall, but white. The total snowfall the entire season was 28.4" with a peak depth of 5". However it remained white. There was a historic and crippling ice storm on Jan 1-2 which likely froze the snowpack in place. As was always the case back in the sh*t winter stretch from the 1930s-50s, whenever youd get a harsh winter, the next one was putrid (1948-49 was horrible).

That explains it. 2020-21 did better in the metro than west. I remember that weather guy Adam (in Jackson) losing it lol. And we sometimes forget that youve moved around lol. For me, 2011-12 is the low-bar mark of my lifetime (25.5"). Pic after storm 2-16-21

I have a 95-year old house, lots of windows, and no 4 ft of insulation in the attic lol. But again, see above post. I have no issue with running the heat now, itll be on the next 7 months, why wait? Just like with the AC, set a temp and it will run when it needs to run.

Plus it was cloudier, colder, and windier here than MKE. Also, my house started colder because I left the windows open during the transition day that fell between AC & furnace

Two late snows. March 21 & April 17

LMAO @Stebo do you want to do the honors? I guess accurate temps and not running 2-6° warmer than every surrounding station means the sensor is in an ice bath. I answered my own question re: SE WI. All you have to do is look at the daily RTP to see MKE runs noticeably warmer than almost everywhere. https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=DTX&issuedby=MKX&product=RTP&format=ci

Id be interested to hear from any other SE WI poster if MKE has had an increasing heat island problem in recent years. Only because they always seem to get these palm-induced records that surrounding areas dont. 5 latest days of first high in the 50s at Detroit Oct 29, 1963 Oct 18, 1960 Oct 17, 2013 (wow) Oct 16, 1973 Oct 15, 1955

Not that its any consolation, but remember Im talking days with 1"+ snowcover, so that doesnt count days of a Trace snowcover (a dusting or patches). Honestly TN averages less lol. Knoxville averages 5 days per winter of 1"+ snowcover & Nashville averages 6 days. For Detroit, the longterm avg is 50 days. Top 5 winters with least 1"+ snowcover days 10 days - 1936-37 11 days - 1931-32 12 days - 1918-19 15 days - 1982-83 16 days - 1952-53 Top 5 winters with most 1"+ snowcover days 96 days - 2013-14 91 days - 1977-78 89 days - 1947-48 89 days - 1981-82 86 days - 1966-67 Top 5 winters with least days of 0.1"+ snowfall 15 days - 1889-90 17 days - 1918-19 17 days - 1881-82 18 days - 1982-83 18 days - 1948-49 Top 5 winters with most days of 0.1"+ snowfall 62 days - 1925-26 61 days - 1884-85 56 days - 2013-14 52 days - 1880-81, 1892-93, 1903-04, 1911-12, 1985-86

The November update shows the Lakes with a negligible signal of milder than avg and no signal on precip.

Falls brisk winds & crisp air is here in full force. Turned the heat on yesterday morning as the house got down to 57F. Absolutely loving it.

I remember back in the day when the weather forums were at its peak, which also coincided with several severe winters, we had a group of folks who were big into the whole "give me a good storm" but disliked cold/snowcover. We had several good winter storms and extremely scenic snowfalls last year (White Christmas, Jan 22, Jan 25, Feb 22, Mar 3, Mar 10), just couldnt sustain anything. So I can see how someone with certain "requirements" as to what makes a good winter liked last winter. When youre talking about seeing 41% more snow in 2011-12, were you just talking Feb? Couldnt possibly be the season as a whole. Last Feb sucked snowfall wise, but talk about being due for a sh*t Feb after our historic stretch of snowy Febs. Lastly, Im a bit confused about the last line. Last winter was a below avg snow season (though I wouldnt call it "well below") with 2021-22 slightly above avg and the previous two seasons right near avg. DTW snow the last 4 seasons 2022-23: 37.1" (-6.9") 2021-22: 47.1" (+3.1") 2020-21: 44.9" (+0.9") 2019-20: 43.7" (-0.3") FNT snow the last 4 seasons 2022-23: 46.5" (-1.8") 2021-22: 60.5" (+12.2") 2020-21: 48.6" (+0.3") 2019-20: 53.7" (+5.4")

We have very similar avg snowfall, even though our climate is a bit different in the southern Great Lakes vs southern New England. I'm 40 and the lowest season snowfall I've seen is 25.5" (2011-12). You 100% will exceed last year. Some people get way too hung up on models, enso, etc. Then of course, you often have the battle of the cold vs warm trolls who always forecast the same thing regardless. But sometimes you just have to step back and look at the big picture. A huge area of the east saw record low snow last year, and many other areas stretching into the midwest saw below to well below average snowfall. Its the "law of averages". Look back at history at some of the really low snow years and notice how the next year almost always did better. On the flip side, during some banner snow years the next year is not as good.

Measurable snowfall (0.1"+). In a Great Lakes climate where the snow season often spans 6 months of the year, it's pretty much impossible to not see multiple days of snow, even in the absolute worst winters (1889-90 was a historically bad winter until Feb). The winter with the least amount of days with 1"+ snowcover was 1936-37 with just 10 days. This is also the least snowy winter on record (12.9"). Its harder for you having lived in several places, but pick your least favorite winter (for me it's either 1997-98 or 2011-12) and look at the actual stats and see how even in the worst of times the days with snow do add up somewhat in the end.

It was the coolest August since 2004.

Idk how much of a heat island MKE is compared to its suburbs. At Detroit, June usually sees 40s but July and August rarely do. However some of the "cold spots" in outlying areas often do. This year however, with a low of 50 officially on Aug 31, most of the area was in the 40s that morning. So realistically, July was the only month that most of the area didn't see 40s, though some got very close (White lake & Ann Arbor were 50).

Letting some fresh air in the house today before shutting the windows tonight. Looks like the first 30's tomorrow night, fall definitely in the air!

40s are kind of an odd metric because technically they are possible at any time of the year. While unlikely in the summer at the heat island stations, they are fairly expected in rural areas. At Detroit the last 40s were June 13th & the first 40s September 14th this year, although when DTW hit 50 in August, most of the area was in the 40s. The current average first Fall freeze at Detroit, October 23rd, is 1 day later than the long-term average of October 22nd.

Last winter locally was the classic winter for the "I don't like cold and snowcover I just like a good storm" crowd. Multiple good storms/events with blinding snow and gorgeous scenery, plus the ice storm, but just not the year for the deep Winter cold/snowcover enthusiast. Outside of arctic Christmas week.

Because you painted it as I recall lol. We had several good Winter storms here. But definitely not my favorite winter.