michsnowfreak

If I had to pick the absolute worst winter to experience here all things considered, it would likely be 1881-82, 1889-90, 1918-19. Not sure if any were ninos. I would say 1982-83 was worse than 1997-98, and both were worse than 2015-16.

Based on?

What station is that?

This year isn't behaving like a usual nino anyway. Let's take things one step at a time

November has been very benign. After starting with a dusting of snow on the ground, there has been quite a bit of sun.

Bite your tongue (unless Jan-Feb 2015 follow)

From the new England forum, it appears December starts cold before a few weeks flip to milder then colder and stormier towards Christmas.

In 18-19 there was a record cold snap during the dead of Winter in the midwest, nino and all.

That sounds like 2 weeks behind here. Is it common on the lakeshore? I'd guess the same is seen in terms of a delay in spring blooming?

Last year was an earlier than normal leaf drop here. 2021 was late.

It's bare here. Outside a rogue oak or Bradford pear

It's crazy to think the historic winter of 2013-14 is at its 10th anniversary.

Yes, I remember that as well. keep in mind, we still see clippers every winter. Just not as many as we used to. As long as we get more snow in the end it's all good though lol. Don't forget about February 1-2, 2022 and then again February 17, 2022. How on earth you did not get over 4 inches then I have no idea lol.

Yes. That was a good clipper season for sure.

We have gotten some, but they definitely have been less than years ago. The 1980s-90s were clipper heyday. Funny thing about the 1990s is that the 21st century has been much snowier but with noticeably less clippers.

Its a wonderful tradition. I could never not do it. They last a while when cut fresh (usually 5-6 weeks) but I've never had it grow. Then again, mine already touches the ceiling as soon as it goes up.

One of my favorite yearly traditions is going to cut down the Christmas tree the day after Thanksgiving. Would be extra fun if it was snowing.

Sad news from the Keewenaw. This guy loved snow possibly more than anyone, and had quite a following. http://www.keweenawreport.com/news/obituary-john-paul-dee/?fbclid=IwAR1EB8u8X4Wo769NhiuNuEeLnbiy-D9ojNpFOTopLmR1QogIgY0sEqd5dp8

Thanks. And yes for sure. Monthly temp departures in mid winter mean little for snow chances, just have to get the systems/storms.

I definitely won't be participating in that nonsense anymore. I've said my piece. I will, however, continue to engage in weather and weather stats talk. That's my wheelhouse. I've noticed a lot of people are thinking that February once again (last year notwithstanding) will be the most severe month of the winter. How do you feel about that? Not sure how much of standard nino climo plays into that. I've been reading that many indicies are not behaving like a typical nino.

I just commented yesterday how we've had way more sun in november than we had in october. It's all good though great for winterizing, leaf cleanup, and putting up the christmas decorations. Especially with winter looming next week.

Nope https://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-michigan-usda-plant-zone-hardiness-map.php

Quite a few trees that are certainly growable here in michigan died after the winter of 2013-14. In fact, retired met bill deedler talked about seeing tons of dead trees and dead animals in the woods behind his house in spring 2014. Detroit also had 3 separate winters in the past decade where temperatures registered −13 or colder. 4 winters going back to 2009. To put that in perspective, Detroit did not register -13 from 1935 until 1963. Like I said, a climate that has warmed in overall mean temperature does not mean anything for the seasonal extremes that we see in our type of climate.

Let's take one thing at a time. Snow typically falls in Michigan 8 out of the 12 months in any given year. Only JJAS are immune. I'll keep our conifers thank you.

The cold is coming for sure. But any snow/storm threats will be model chaos. Let winter 2023-24 begin!