michsnowfreak

Impressive. Detroit has done it 5 times total, each time at exactly 80°, the most recent being in 2006 and before that 1942. The warmest low at DTW in this heatwave has been 76°.

I agree lol. Not that it ruined the season. But there was way too much severe talk in winter. I'm just surprised rather than a snow thread or something it's a wind chill thread that's going strong lol.

If we had this pattern in winter the snow would be in Dixie lol. This is very anamolous cold.

Agree. The summer of 1936 actually had several cool downs thrown in there. If you look at the daily figures, we have had many summers that aren't remembered as too hot that didnt include those kind of cool downs. But the heatwaves were so intense and deadly, especially the July one, that I cant see them happening again. Also, being such a fan of climate data, I am not a fan of doing things like "well 1936 had a cold spring and look at that summer" in trying to find an analogue. Because while that may be true, I can find years where cold springs meant cold summers. In the weather....you can always find an example of something, but it never totally replicates itself.

They bust all the time. NYC busted multiple times this winter alone. It's just never talked about outside of there because it doesn't grab headlines as much as an actual storm does.

I'm wondering if it did mirror 2010 in Toronto. Not so much here. In 2009-10 we had no snow in Nov and just a trace in March. Slightly below avg snow in dec and Jan, and well above avg in Feb. The net result was an average season in terms of total snowfall. In 2017-18 we had several days with flurries in Oct and Nov but nothing measurable. Slightly below avg snow in Jan, near avg snow in Mar and well above avg snow in Dec and Feb. The net result is a well above avg season in total snowfall.

March and November?

I'd say a C seems fair for Toronto. It would be ridiculous to compare to 2011-12 though lmao. I'd give this winter a B+ here as it stands now. Met winter was an absolute solid A, but Nov had no measurable snow (despite numerous days with flakes in late Oct and Nov) and Mar has been complete zzzz after it roared in like a windy snowy lion on the first day, so that is why I go B+. With unseasonable cold looming to start April, if the pattern produces snow-wise here, I could easily go up to A-.

That's crazy. At Detroit the total since 2011-12 is a 33.0" surplus. Going back to 2007-08, the last 10 years, Detroit has a surplus of 112.4"! That's assuming this season is done which it may not be. Does anyone have the avg for Toledo? I'd like to see their stats in that time frame. I know chicago is definitely a surplus but probably not quite as high. FYI the lowest back to back winters here was 1936-37 & 1937-38 with a total of 35.5" (12.9, all time lowest, followed by 22.6).

Wow, I didnt realize that. Thats crazy.

I loved last years tundra winter of deep snow, but outside of the massive Feb 1st snowstorm there werent really any big storms. Now 2013-14 on the other hand, that winter was a haven for one snowstorm after another, We had 6 storms over 6"+ here (4 of the 6 were over 8") so its crazy if Cleveland missed all of them.

The bigger the troll the more they look to start sh*t in a forum that apparently gets quite tense.I rarely get into the subject because of how hardcore and nasty some of the "deniers" and "alarmists" are. I just love to point out ridiculous predictions about a certain region when they already fall by the wayside. People would take climate change more seriously if those ridiculous statememts werent made. But whatever. Ive never been more happy with my climate than as it is right now. So I guess if that makes me a denier sobeit

Yup, and 2 winters in a row no less!

Speaking on THIS BOLDED POINT and THIS POINT...ONLY...not talking about, denying or agreeing with ANYTHING else.....not global temps, not local temps, not anything...(lol need to have a disclaimer before you post anything in this thread). With but a few stinkers, we have been on an unprecedented run of snowy winters here in the southern Great Lakes (and the northeast as well) since the turn of this century. Its one thing to have a great year or two, but its a stretch unmatched in the local climate record, average is no longer "average". And I have heard numerous sources attribute it to AGW with numerous explanations as to why. And I have never before seen as many cold snowstorms as we have had recently (so none of this, ohhh its just cold enough to snow, so more moisture). Well in the 1990s and early 2000s I cant tell you how many stories I read state that local effects of AGW in this region would mean snowmobiling and winter recreation would become extinct, kids will grow up in the northern US and not know what winter is blah blah blah. My absolute FAVORITE, and yes Ive brought it up before, was from the late 1990s that by 2020 winters in MI would resemble 1990s KY.

+10000000000

Great throwbacks mj! I was 9, so memories are kind of vague...but I DO remember it was the first summer in the new house and my parents were excited we had central AC (used room ACs in the old house) and the previous summer had been so hot....yet we barely used it at all. Julys hottest temp was 83F at DTW. Yes, that was the HOTTEST temp ALL of JULY! That is something that had never happened in any previous JJA month I record I believe. My sisters 1st birthday was July 18th and pics from her party (not sure of the actual date of party) show a billowy overcast sky (no rain though), extremely lush green grass, and people wearing light jackets in the middle of the day.

You know, I hear all this talk about how STL's climate is changing at a much faster pace than cities to the north like Detroit. I decided to look up some stuff for myself. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=cli_archive ~8 of STLs 10 warmest winters happened BEFORE 1932! STL's running average snowfall is HIGHER now than it was from the 1930s-1970s http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=avgsnow STLs avg mean temp is indeed warmer now than it has been previously...about a whopping 0.2F warmer than it was in the early 1940s http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=avgtmp STL and DTW are obviously 2 very different climates to begin with, and STL has not seen the increase in snow the last decade DTW has, but this is the same for both cities - Biggest period of snowlessness would be the 1930s-1950s, biggest period of anamalous cold the 1970s. There is no bigger contamination to the climate record, of ANY city in the midwest/northeast USA who have had records since the 1870s.....than the cold period of the 1960s-1980s, centered HEAVILY on the 1970s.

There are several posters who try and work agw into every single discussion in there, and that is not the place for it.

Exactly. He loves snow, not what a mean temperature is. The only changes taking place where he lives, from a SNOW perspective, is that snowfall seems to be INCREASING, if the last decade is any indication.

Spring yes, Summer no. But thats not the point. Its a very valid reason that he picked January because it was said by someone to "look up" how Januarys near this latitude have been getting "way warmer" in recent decades...which is in fact...completely wrong.

Valdez is already the snowiest city in the US (avg 326") yet they are getting record snow for them. Meanwhile, the continental 48 so far this season has seen below to much below normal snowfall nearly across the board.