michsnowfreak

Well here comes the cold....definitely not 11-12esque...so we will see what happens in the snow department.

Thats an odd anamoly this year. In fact, i cant think of a place thats been more screwed in the snow department this decade than St Louis. But they appear ground zero Saturday and they did well in the november storm too.

Sadly at this point I would take it. Specifics side, with a colder regime almost imminent, as long as we get some snow on the ground I will be happy. First things first lol, then I will worry about a big storm

So true. It's been a horrendous start to the snow season, yet we have still have 32 days with flakes already.

What was the actual EPS means snowfall for DTW?

Comparing November and December departure from normal snowfall maps would be an artistic masterpiece of color contrast.

Off and on snow squalls today. Only 0.1" at DTW, but actually picked up 0.5" at my house and a little more than that at work. With the gusty winds a lot of its sublimated, but still was nice to have a wintry day on hand amd it does appear that the not-too-long range is looking much better!

I understand, that's why when I post pictures I usually link it from my Facebook or something because you can only post so much before they limit you haha.

At this point I don't mind not being in a jackpot as long as I get Snow lol. Do you have a link or is that pay only?

Wow. How is it for southern MI?

Typically in the midwest, smaller snow systems are very frequent (moreso up here but definitely down by you too). I don't know what's going on this Winter lol, but they usually are. But when you're talking a big storm, sometimes the best snows are the areas that have to "smell the rain" so to speak.

Where have I been? I did not know he moved to New Jersey.

Being the data guru i am, I was looking up other years where there were large periods with little snow. Some interesting data, because many of the winters you dont think of because they dont stand out on futility lists (because of early and or late snows). I couldnt believe the back to back Januarys 1932 & 1933. Both years were record warm January with almost no snow. Both years had reports of dandelions and pussy willows blooming as well as tulips poking several inches through the ground (both years had later cold snaps which surely killed everything). Can you imagine if we had back to back years like that today!?

I forgot you just moved there. Yikes. Trust me...for your area it DOES and WILL get better than what you've seen!

Im not as familiar with the lower midwest climate as up here further north, but i know its a big difference snow wise. Of course the midatlantic can get bigger snowstorms, but there are so many years of almost nothing, i dont know if id call that exciting. Id call it frustrating.

Exactly!

When a storm threat is imminent, people here get excited. But people here tend to be more laid back. The mid Atlantic forum has hundreds and hundreds of pages devoted to Winter talk but hardly sees any snow. They can get a good hit, but I think DC just recently went like 3 years without a 2" snowfall. I would definitely say they are probably the most weenie subforum on here

Looks good....now to verify!

I do the same lol.

FWIW It looks like a warm up after the cold snap later this week is in the cards, but it has looked that way for a while. Actually I'm a little surprised at the cold snap coming this week, at one time it looked like all out torch until around the 20th. Thereafter is when this alleged colder than average weather will hit. I'm assuming that's the warm up that NWS BUF was talking about, I cannot imagine a NWS forecast discussion discussing something more than 2 weeks down the road.

With a horrendous 1st half of met Winter, I would take that in a heartbeat.

An amazing storm leading to an amazing cold outbreak in an epic historic Winter.

That's because the next 10 days won't be cold. All the talk about colder than average is at least 15 days away.

I browse the New England forum because there is some good insight in there, but it is funny because some people have been touting storm after storm there for 2 months now and nothing has happened. Some have been realistic, some have not. I don't visit the mid Atlantic forum though, I've heard its reputation lol. Here it's the opposite, some always assume it's going to be dry Northwest flow when a colder than average pattern is on the way.

I agree it's terrible. Such a wintry November was a treat, but the suffering of December through the 1st half of January is far worse I would take a November shut out any day over that. But the cold is after 15 days, so it does not surprise me that the 15 day looks bad. Doesn't make things better, just saying. I'm just thankful a change appears to be coming. With the way this Winter has gone, I will take my chances with Northwest flow in a heartbeat. At least there would be SOME snow. I also want to add that I have never in the history of weatherboards seen a change towards a colder than average Winter pattern without people lamenting it will be dry Northwest flow (sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't). Do you have to pay for EPS snowfall means?