michsnowfreak

NYC hasn't had a measurable snow since Jan 18 and their forum has a thread dedicated to their first trace of snow. Sounds like the ultimate snow weenie lol. They have only had 1 storm of 15"+ since Feb 2011. I see how impatient this board got by a slow start in early December...i just can't see people dealing with that for years at a time just because eventually they will get a big storm. Their average did go up, but so did many other places. Frequency of 6"+ and 10"+ storms went up significantly here as well, so its not all petty 3-6 lol. Since 2011, NYC has had 5 storms of 10"+ and Detroit has had 7 storms of 10"+. Detroit 2011-2020 Feb 1/2, 2011- 10.3 Feb 20/21, 2011- 10.2 Jan 1/2, 2014- 10.8 Jan 5/6, 2014- 11.0 Feb 1/2, 2015- 16.7 Dec 11, 2016- 10.7 Feb 9/10, 2018- 10.3 NYC 2011-2020 Jan 26/27, 2011- 19.0 Feb 9, 2013- 11.4 Jan 21/22, 2014- 11.5 Feb 14, 2014- 12.5 Jan 23/24, 2016- 27.5

Agree.

of course its been a minute since you posted, because you only show up when the northeast gets a big storm, and its been years. I like winter. So yes, harddd pass on an east coast climate south of Boston. Last winter nyc had 2 days with snow on the ground and Philly and DC had 0. lmao. the ultimate snow weenie belongs in a lake snow belt.

Also....Chicago just recently had 4 straight 50"+ seasons from 2007-08 thru 2010-11 (53-60") for the first time in 136 years of record. If beavis wants to have unrealistic standards, at least don't discredit the good that HAS qualified for his winter grading criteria. And what was so bad about winter 2018-19? Chicago got almost 50"and had temps of -30° in January lol.

Its a feast or famine climate there. They are always prone to a whopper when the ingredients are just right (though this isn't going to be a 30" storm), and they haven't had one in several years. The last measurable snow in NYC? January 18th. I've tracked several storms here and had 25 days with measurable snow since Jan 18th lol.

Yes I know! I collect vintage Christmas and decorate my house in lots of vintage Christmas.

I decided to sign up for weatherbell, at least for the Winter. Such a cool website with so many things to play with lol. Having access to so much more has enhanced how ridiculously models change from run to run. But the idea of a much colder January than December seems extremely likely.

From a snow perspective 07-08 was heaven but it was king of roller coaster, so I imagine beavis would be infuriated over wasting sdds despite all that snow. I had 78.2" of snow but only 60 days of 1"+ snowcover. Thats getting a surplus of 35" of snow but only 10 extra snowcover days. I think one of the most anomalous winters the opposite way was 1947-48. Detroit only saw 26.8" of snow the entire season however 89 days with 1"+ snow cover. A snowfall deficit of 14" but a snow cover surplus of nearly 40 days. No major snowstorms however 2 big ice storms helped cement in the snow cover as a lot of the time it was cold and dry.

Both Detroit and Chicago do outdoor German themed Christmas markets which are awesome. I've been to both. Unfortunately I doubt they will be doing them this year with everything going on

Unfortunately the extended looked terrible for December so honestly I punted it a while ago. December actually started as a Winter wonderland here with over 4" of snow, however a little over 4 days later it was gone and it has been zzzz ever since

I think I never liked "throw in the towel" because it's so subjective. Throw in the towel on what? Along, sustained Winter? In that case Early to mid January would be that towel being thrown. If we simply talking about getting some good snowstorms, I can't throw that towel for another 4 months. Im armed with way too much weather data on la nina winters to worry about mid December zzzs.

oh I'm referring to January being a solid winter month. December will be crap with some snow chances

I've heard a lot of talk about massive storm potential this winter. I can say this...I will be SHOCKED if the Midwest doesn't have a huge storm this winter. No bets on who the haves and have nots will be though.

2017-18 was for whatever reason way better here than Chicago. it was pretty much constant winter from early Dec to late Feb with a few blips. the cold snap of late Jan 2019 was incredible but otherwise a forgettable winter. Last year, the best period of winter was in November. snow/cold records fell like dominoes. Last winter we had avg snow but below avg snowcover. I use both stats, as I believe both are important. Very few besides you and me look at snowcover stats. it seems I give you a hard time but we really have a lot in common. id easily take a cold snowcover winter over a wild winter of heavy snowfall but not consistent snowpack.

you are completely entitled to your own standards and preferences. but if you have a met degree, im surprised how often you don't seem to realize your standards do not make meteorological sense for your location, nor have they ever. But im even more surprised how in bad periods (like the one we are in now) you act as though winter doesn't or won't exist, which is unbelievably incorrect. Also, you feel that everyone else has too low of standards...I disagree with that across the board, even for myself. I've been on weather forums for 18 years now and I can ASSURE you most weenies have unrealistically high standards. I was on forums during this regions snowiest period on record and promise you that the forums were always full of negative posts about how much winter was sucking.

that is a huge change from the warmth that flooded Canada. the cold building in Canada IS a good sign for down the road.

Since we are in the banter section, I have a curious question about white christmases for other snow lovers. I absolutely love Winter, and I absolutely love Christmas. It goes without saying that I want a white Christmas every year. However, If it is not a white Christmas I enjoy the holiday just as much. I am surprised at how many non-weather folks REALLy want a white Christmas and are disappointed if it's not, but then they complain every time it snows from January through April. Does anyone else notice this?

That was clearly hyperbole. If not, please show me any winter where we have just 2 weeks of it being cold enough to snow . you know, since it snows 5-7 of the 12 calendar months yearly. Averages exist for a reason. the surplus of snow that the lower Lakes saw from 2007-2015 has still not been evened out. And I certainly hope it isn't. but lol do you want me to show you how many snow records ORD has had the past 15 years?

I doubt it, but that would be insane if it happened

Sun today for the first time in a week. We have had 0 precip since the Dec 1 snowstorm, which is very unusual. Usually at least a trace is seen on many if not most days this time of year. This weekends storm will be the first flakes or drops much of northern MI has seen all month.

is there a user friendly website to look up Canadian data? Toronto and Windsor specifically

A 1 or 2 degree increase in temps will not hurt your winter. Chicago's current DJF avg is 26.4°, thatis not borderline lol. Your winters are never going to be to your satisfaction, but plenty of snow is in your future. Subpar snow seasons are trying to flatten the curve from the above avg snow Chicago saw from 2007-2015. I wish you'd move to a superior snowbelt, you'd love it.

I disagree about the no cold winters part locally. Since 2000, the following winters have been colder than avg here 2000-01 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 2013-14 2014-15 2017-18 So 10 below avg, 10 above avg The past 20 winters at Detroit averaged 1.3° above the 20th century avg, but 8.5" snowier than the 20th century avg and 2 days per season more snowcover than the 20th century avg.

Chicago has probably set more snowy records than snow futility records the past decade. They just set October snow records last Winter. in the age of records for anything, you will be able to find records good and bad every season. 2019-20 was the ONLY snow season on record that Chicago saw measurable snowcover in each of 7 straight months

INL has had 4 brown Christmases since 1948.