PhiEaglesfan712

The best example is 89-90. We had the coldest December on record, then the weather turned springlike when the calender flipped to January.

That's the type of polar vortex you want for colder and snowy weather. A stronger than average polar vortex tends to favor torch conditions.

How much do you think for EWR?

Sorry, the Arena Football League is defunct. However, the Phillies season begins on Thursday, March 26, 2026.

I don't understand why you would abandon the run up 21-0, with a running back as great as Barkley, unless he is truly hurt.

I'm not sure exactly what is causing the warmer WPAC ocean temps. All I know is that something must have happened in between the 2009-10 strong el nino and the 2015-16 super el nino.

How much snow for EWR on Tuesday?

No, I wasn't one who thought Sirianni needed to go after 2-2 last year. Heck, I didn't even lose faith after the Giants game earlier this year. I'd much rather have the losses to Bucs last year and the Giants game earlier this year. At least I can understand that we didn't have it that day. Crap like that happens sometimes. But after this loss to the Cowboys, I've completely lost faith in this team. (The last time I lost total faith in the Eagles was the loss to the Seahawks on that Monday Night in 2023, and I couldn't have been more correct.) You can't lose a game up 21-0, especially when you have a running back as great as Saquon Barkley. The Eagles never blew a 21-0 lead before, not even during the great collapse of 2023. I thought holding onto a 21-0 lead was not asking too much, but if they can't do that, then I need to lower my expectations for this team. The Eagles might beat the Raiders and split with the Commanders to get to 10 wins (and that may still be enough to win the NFC East), but this team isn't going anywhere in the playoffs. In short, this Eagles team is soft and undisciplined. Don't expect that to magically change on Friday. The Bears are a tougher team, and will beat us.

Now that drought guy is doubting it, I'm optimistic about this storm happening.

December 2010 is the only one that's reasonable. At least that happened in the newer climate. (It's not a good analog, but due to other things... like near solar min and strong la nina, features we don't have this year. Maybe it could work if we have a strong la nina in place in December 2028, when we're closer to a solar min.) December 1983 is an older, colder climate. Not likely to happen unless we have a Pinatubo event. (83-84 actually would have been a very good analog for 95-96.) December 1989, well, that was a once-in-a-lifetime event. A coldest December on record, followed by an early turn to spring (and never looking back) is almost certainly never going to happen again.

Funny, that year behaved the opposite of a nino (due to Pinatubo). Normally, you'd get the cool summer in the East preceding the el nino and the warm summer in the East following the el nino. Instead, the summer of 91 was a record warm summer in the East, and the summer of 92 was the cold summer in the East. Of course, Pinatubo resulted in a temporary cooling, which led the snowier winters of 92-93, 93-94, and maybe even 95-96.

I hate to say it, but I feel the Eagles are on the verge of a 2023-type collapse. This team is way too soft to even hold on to a 21-0 lead. The offense is broken, and the defense can only hold up for so long. (In fact, I can see the defense starting to crack.) The Eagles are going to lose on Friday, and will probably end with a 9-8 or 10-7 record. That may still be good enough to win the NFC East, but we will likely lose to a team like Seattle in the Wild Card round.

2020-21 is the only winter in NYC that even surpassed the 20-inch mark since 2018-19: 2019-2020 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.5 2.3 T T T T 0.0 4.8 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 10.5 2.1 26.0 T 0.0 0.0 0.0 38.6 2021-2022 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T 0.2 15.3 2.0 0.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 17.9 2022-2023 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T T 2.2 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3 2023-2024 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T T 2.3 5.2 T 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.5 2024-2025 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.8 3.0 7.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 12.9

December 2021 was a very warm December in the Eastern US (I think only 2015 was warmer). If we're not going to get any snow in December, then I hope it's a torch. At least it can come back to average at some point in the winter (like January 2022). The worst possible outcome is a cooler December with no snow (like December 2022).

I'd be okay with something like December 2017, when the warm-up was very brief, and the majority of the 2nd half of December is cold. This is certainly possible. I mean, we're overdue for one.

The start year for this has to be 1951 because the November 25, 1950 record is just about impossible to beat out. Atlanta got to 3 degrees that day, and the places where the record low would be got to below 0.

I guess this is another way of saying Go Birds!

The first week of December in 2007 was the best of that month, in regards to cold and snow. The snowstorm on the 5th was the best event until February 22nd. Although, the previous month (November) was colder than average. 2008 got going in the 2nd half of November, with a snowstorm on November 20. Again, the previous month (October) was colder than average. Weird thing about this winter is that the cold and snow didn't really align. October-January was the cold part, but the big storm was on March 1-2 (that was the beginning of about 6-7 years of great storms).

With the exception of 2017-18 and January 2022, the coastal areas haven't really had great snow since the mid-2010s el nino. Here is Atlantic City: 2016-2017 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T T 7.2 0.3 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.7 2017-2018 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 10.0 14.5 T 9.6 T 0.0 0.0 34.1 2018-2019 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T 4.8 4.9 6.9 1.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 17.8 2019-2020 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T 0.5 T T 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T 1.0 6.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.3 2021-2022 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T T 33.2 0.1 T 0.0 0.0 0.0 33.3 2022-2023 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T T 0.3 T 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 2023-2024 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T 5.9 1.4 T 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.3 2024-2025 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 T 6.0 7.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 13.9

05-06 and 20-21 are la nina years that had a colder/snowier February than January.

https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/la-nina-has-formed-winter-2025-2026-latest-impacts-el-nino-reversal-united-states-canada-europe-fa/

Whether or not you use ONI or RONI, if you ignore what went on in Nino 1+2 last winter, then you're totally missing the picture. Last winter wasn't going to behave like a traditional la nina, or even a cold-neutral, with that warm eastern basin.

1949-51 la nina -> 1951-52 moderate el nino (yes, also continued in 1952-54) 1954-57 la nina -> 1957-58 strong el nino (yes, also continued in 1958-59) 1970-72 la nina -> 1972-73 super el nino (yes) 1974-76 la nina -> 1976-77 & 1977-78 moderate el nino (yes) 1983-85 la nina -> 1986-88 strong el nino (yes) 1988-90 la nina -> 1991-92 strong el nino (yes) 1998-2001 la nina -> 2002-03 moderate el nino (yes) 2007-09 la nina -> 2009-10 strong el nino (yes) 2010-12 la nina - no el nino in 2012-13 or 2013-14 (though we did get a super el nino in 2015-16) 2016-18 la nina -> 2018-19 weak el nino (no) 2020-23 la nina -> 2023-24 strong el nino (yes) So, within 2 years of a multi-year cold ENSO (at least one year la nina), we have: 1 no el nino (and this one eventually produced a strong el nino) 1 weak el nino 3 moderate el nino 5 strong el nino 1 super el nino Plus, 4 of these events were multi-year el ninos (1951-54, 1957-59, 1976-78, and 1986-88).

4 of the last 5 actually, as 09-10 was another strong el nino (along with 15-16 and 23-24). Very possible we could have a repeat of 86-89 (remember this came quickly after the 82-83 el nino), with the double el nino in 26-28, then transition to a strong la nina in 28-29. We're overdue for a strong la nina as well. We haven't had one since 10-11, which is the longest stretch without a strong la nina since 55-56 to 73-74. If we don't have a la nina by 28-29, we would have our longest stretch without a strong la nina since 1916-17 to 1955-56.

February 2006 wasn't all that bad. At least we got a return to cold, and a snowstorm on the 11th-12th. I'd gladly sign up for that after the last 3 or 4 winters. But please, no repeat of 1989-90, when spring pretty much began in January.