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I'd have to agree, we haven't seen anything close to the +EPO in 01-02 in recent years, and how it often linked up with strong +NAO. If we had a Winter +EPO that extreme again, it might break the 70s mid-Winter in the Mid-Atlantic.

Man that 78-79 Winter sure was cold. What you guys would do for another one of these 3 consecutive Winters here in the late-1970s

I guess it's just really hard to get 23c waters right on the equator. The "average" is probably more towards El Nino than "0".

Any idea what's causing this?

I still want to get a really strong east-based La Nina at some point.. but it may be very dry. El Nino's are for sure much wetter.

^Switching to more El Nino's in the coming time may not mean colder US Winter's. I've always contended that La Nina is the colder pattern anyway if you take the static of NAO out of the equation.

The 20 most recent warm minus cold CONUS Winter's.. 1993-2025. This is SSTA's Sept-Nov before. east-based El Nino hugging the American coast is the biggest signal July before.. +2c off of Peru there is really strong for most recent 20 years/33.

^Man what a horrible SSTA map, lol Best thing is northern Indian Ocean isn't that warm.

That was a "no chance" Winter. Things weren't even really that close. There were a few -NAO periods, but they linked up with the SE ridge because -NAO/+EPO can actually be the worst Winter pattern ever because it's dry.

That 97-98 season was really something.. I remember being a kid and it didn't snow the entire Winter. Didn't think that was possible. The 2nd half of 96-97 was really warming though, there were buds in the trees as early as late Feb 1997. A storm on 4/1/97 was suppose to give us 12"+ of snow (I was sad it was going to kill all the Spring stuff) but it trended north at the last minute and was only rain.

I noticed it was warming as early as 09-10. There were some really warm periods in between those storms, and it didn't get down into the 10s like blizzards of the past. I think whatever "hits" takes a few years to be in effect, and that happened well before the 15-16 Strong El Nino.

Why OND?

Late July looks hot. Aleutian high pressure developing. Should be in the 90s at least.

SOI is finally getting out of Weak-La Nina territory 6 Jul 2025 1011.51 1014.55 -24.56 TAO/Triton subsurface has warmed a lot.. +1c near the surface.. no more central-subsurface cold pool of any significance

9 day lead though.. I'd rather see what their forecasts looked like 3-6 months in advance.

I'm not picky about this stuff.. I would say that it was a good forecast because it got the West coast ridge, and half of the below average trough. Usually they are at least near by what happens with forecasts.

Southern Hemisphere AAO so far this July: 1-Jul-25 1.8937 2-Jul-25 2.248 3-Jul-25 2.8385 4-Jul-25 3.1945 5-Jul-25 2.5837 6-Jul-25 2.1543 The correlation is pretty cool.. right at 90N the following January

Phoenix being so hot for a long time last Summer was an accurate predictor... they broke their record streak of most consecutive 100+ days by 40! The other years that had the streak broken came out with a +PNA and -4f to -5f in the Midwest and East for December and January. I don't think they are as warm so far this Summer, but it is warming there always. Also, the AAO last August was record negative.. that rolled forward at 0.5 correlation to a -AO Dec and Jan.. again, something that hit. The PDO was strongly warm forecast, and that got blown out...

Seasonal models were actually really bad over the PNA region last Winter.. they maybe over-use the recent trend and ENSO.

CPC doesn't have a super warm Winter forecast right now.. seasonal models going a little cooler is probably why.

Down near Baltimore and DC it was a snowy January. I had snow on the ground pretty much the whole month. They had a 8-10" storm further south than I think another 6" storm.. it snowed like 15 days through the end of January.. not a horrible Winter. I understand further north it was drier, but sometimes early in the Winter the STJ is further south.

How did it snow 10" in Florida? How did Valentine, Nebraska hit -31F when it was almost March? I was on this board saying that the pattern wasn't good for snow last February and that it wasn't going to snow.. I would dig it up, but there were like 10-15 posts about this in the Mid Atlantic forum. The NAO was south-based positive and there was High pressure in the North Pacific over the North Pacific High position. Plus it takes some time to detox the heavy -PNA/+AO that was the time before. Not a big anomaly. The big anomalies were Dec 2022 and March 2023, but teleconnection patterns aren't 100%, and sometimes other things dominate. Doesn't mean it's always going to be like that. I think we are going back to -NAO cold in the Winter time as Jan 2024 and Jan 2025 had this. The coastal SLP correlation is 5-6x greater in -NAO/+PNA than +NAO/-PNA. I should dig up those old posts... was saying it wasn't a great H5 pattern for snow that 5-7 day models were showing. We didn't have things at our latitude that were favoring cold and snow like a 50/50 low and NE N. Pacific low pressure. bluewave by your posts I would surmise that you are saying NYC is going to average 15"/snow/yr from here on out. No matter, regardless. I don't think that's going to happen... we might have a tough few years with the flux of some things still being unfavorable, but weather patterns wax and wane.. eventually we will enter a better pattern, and the global warming isn't that advanced yet.

Looking hot in the Northeast for the hottest 2 weeks of the year, on average. 12z EPS

SST feedback doesn't make sense to me. Seems like kind of a simple answer. The tropics have recently shown a good SST correlation though with tropical systems. It works in the tropics, but not really in the upper latitudes.

Why are the mid-latitudes warming though? It might just be a pattern that fluxes up and down, with general global warming.