George001

I am now on board with this pattern, unlike that last “threat” with the garbage gfs giving Boston 18 inches of snow (didn’t even get an inch), this threat actually has North Atlantic blocking in place to give us more room for error. The pattern is very amplified, fast flow isn’t going to be an issue in my opinion with the blocking in place. The models will show the low cutting to Wisconsin, but with the North Atlantic blocking in place that will likely correct to a slow moving Miller B that buries eastern Mass. I do think we may get one big one in December but am expecting all hell to break loose in January.

Hopefully weak

In the longer range the polar vortex is expected to stop deepening and start weakening. It’s ok if it’s strong now, if it’s still strong mid January then we have a problem.

Hopefully the pattern change lasts at least 4-6 weeks before another thaw. I’m glad to see that the pattern is going to change and there will be North Atlantic blocking. However we need it to stay, whether it lasts 1-2 weeks or 4+ weeks in my opinion will tell us whether this will be a meh winter or an epic one.

I love Miller Bs I hope we get a bunch of them

Wow I hope that’s right, the models change so much especially long term that it doesn’t make sense to panic this early about a ratter. I know I did with my panic room post, but I realize that was an overreaction to a bad model run. It’s something to watch, but I do think I jumped the gun saying shit like 2019-2020 and 2011-2012. The polar vortex is quite powerful right now, but even if it doesn’t weaken a ton we have other influences like the MJO and La Niña structure working in our favor long term.

I could be off base here but is it possible that due to the climate change induced increase in ocean temps that it is allowing storms to deepen more, leading to more really big storms? Long term I would think the negative influence of rising temps would eventually outweighs the positive influence of stronger storms and more precip (due to warming ocean temps), but for now it seems like the gains we have made in big storms have outweighed the losses in more marginal events.

The only good year was 17-18 in the past 5 years. Last year was ok, I had 2 12+ inch storms so it wasn’t by any means a bad winter, but we haven’t had a major slow moving blizzard that buries the region with 2 feet of snow since March 2018. Even if it’s not a great winter, if we get a massive blizzard like March 13th 2018, Jan 26th 2015, Feb 8 2013 ect, even if the rest of the winter is meh I’ll take it (I believe 2005-2006 one of Rays analogs was like that). Normally I’d rather just have the frequent 6-12s but it’s been a while since the last 2 footer so I’m hoping we see one this year.

It’s too early to give up on winter. We are getting the shitty pattern out of the way early, I’d rather that than something like 2019-2020 with a big storm early December then just turns to garbage. The polar vortex is going to stop deepening and start weakening soon.

When I see that map I think of one thing, golf. That’s straight up golf weather, may as well take advantage of this warm spell before we the pattern changes and we get hammered in January.

Yeah, I’ve busted a lot with my forecasts, I It happens to even the best of em. Don’t tell me you haven’t ever busted, we all do.

Not bad I’ll take it this early in the winter

I think people are making the mistake of thinking we need December to be great because it’s La Niña so the second half of winter is guaranteed to suck. I made that mistake in my winter forecast with February. December I did expect to finish milder than average but one big storm at the end of the month, still has time for that to happen. Maybe December and early January are worse than my winter forecast had, but mid Jan and Feb are much better. That’s what the implication would be if there is a polar vortex disruption a month or month and a half later than I expected in my winter forecast. I believe that’s what Ray had in his, a polar vortex event later in the winter but remaining strong early on.

Extremely low, but it shows just how quickly we can make up for a slow start. 2012-2013 was mild until early Feb. A 2014-2015 is extremely unlikely but a 2011-2012 or 2019-2020 is just as unlikely. December usually sucks until late month anyways, so we are burning shit climo with this hostile pattern. January February and March could still be epic.

The current pattern is absolute garbage but we can still get a really good winter. 2014-2015 sucked until late Jan when all hell broke loose and we started getting blizzard after blizzard.

Even if December is cooked there’s still 3 more months

It looks bad but aren’t there good signs with the MJO?

The CFS looks really good for Jan and Feb. not a ton of North Atlantic blocking but there is ridging out west, and it looks like the polar vortex while it doesn’t split or anything its on our side of the globe, and is displaced a bit to the south. I’m glad to see there are signs of the long range looking better after the upcoming mild spell.

There’s a reason why I never use the gfs for my forecasts. The Euro/Navy/Canadian blend never really was on board for this one. Gfs was on its own, so I’m not surprised it was wrong. Right now the pattern sucks, hopefully things change with the MJO going into phase 7 and 8.

Yeah the gfs is a garbage model, I never bought that this was a legitimate threat with the lack of blocking. We need blocking to slow the flow down.

The flow is too fast, we need blocking to slow it down. Just not going to get a strong storm in this pattern, the gfs foot+ of snow solution was always a low probability.

Get well soon, I hope everything is ok with you

Wouldnt a lot of the snow on the gfs be sleet at least in eastern mass? There looks to be a warm layer in there 850-925mb. I don’t think even verbatim that would be 18 inches in Boston like the snow maps say.

Hopefully the Euro Canadian and Navy come on board tonight

Yeah I’m talking about the stratospheric polar vortex, I hate seeing that over the North Pole.