SnowenOutThere

Wonder if your time period would've worked out on the 18z Euro. It has a completely different (and better) look than 12z

So far with the Euro's run it doesn't seem like an improvement.

Can we start a thread to silo the whining there?

Agreed, but should've checked the thread name before bringing up semantics: "January 2026 Medium/Long Range Discussion"

Besides to those who absolutely need a hit of digital blue the GFS has the 23-25th window with a rather fun storm if it can pull north.

To all the people complaining in here I strongly recommend the panic room thread. Currently we are tracking three different windows, and it is unlikely that all will work out. For now we just gotta wait and see what happens. As for the 16th nobody here should put much stock into whatever solution (snowy or not) until its near gametime, and that said with a setup like it we won't often score so not snowing doesn't mean we need to turn this thread into a 2027 winter discussion! Think back to around a week ago where we we're writing off the pattern till the 20th and beyond! At least now we have something fun to track so before complaining at least try to understand the progression of the storm cause that alone is fun.

Cape storm is a painful watch as the shortwaves just destructively interfere with each other and ruin the setup. Luckily I don't think it would've taken much to change that into a hit.

With my analytical post I don't think its time to cliff jump yet; this storm is just way too complicated to know if that change is real or imagined. However, if we continue to see the GFS (and Euro moves to it) fail to consolidate around a southern vort max by tomorrow at 12zish or absolute latest tomorrow 0z I think then it is time to call it.

Its an odd run as several things go better for us. 1. The shortwave out ahead of it is further northeast which should help it amplify (unless for some reason this is too much spacing so it stays positively tilted?). T2. he wave spacing behind it also appears a bit better with more separation too. However, the reason it fails seems to be a difference around the hour 60-80 mark where there isnt quite the same level of vorticity maximum on the southern side of the lobe as it dives south so the trough doesn't quite consolidate and remains spread out. 18z on top and 12z on bottom. Can really see how this messes up the storm as it progresses east to our area where its all one big vort instead of being a southern maximum. Unfortunately, by remaining broader it also ruins our ability to go negative as quickly which really hurts us even more. 12z once again shows that difference with the additional southern closed isobar helping it tilt neg more. Hopefully this changes back but as a reminder this happens earlier in the run so we will need to watch for improvement here soonish to keep the chances of a good storm up.

It almost appears similar to the Icon with it washing out the vort which the GFS and Euro make our storm from. If that happens as depicted its game over, and with that only being 4 days away we should know sooner than later whos right.

It has a very weird solution (not that ANY of the models show a "normal" storm). It pretty much has the vort lobe which all other models have takeover get killed off by one in southern Canada... which seems odd. However, I think that it did improve H5 wise and was generally further south so if it didn't have that progression it would've been Euro or GFS like.

Speaking of which do you have any resources on storms like this? I got stuff like the December events (jet steak WAA FGEN) figured out mentally when tracking but not really anything like this where it seems all vorticity driven and how that ends up producing snowfall. Would love it if you could explain those differences or recommend some reading

Didn't know you went to UVA! What did you study and any tips for myself?

Would we even know where the banding would setup or is it almost fully a nowcast situation and praying it goes over your house?

Snow shower tried to pull a day after tomorrow impression.