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Pasadena MD 7/5. Listen w/ headphones/earbuds for the full effect! https://www.facebook.com/reel/2524504421303837
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Hoisting the Sultan Signal: Heavy Rain Event July 5-7
vortex95 replied to WxWatcher007's topic in New England
BDR 1.23" so far as of 4am. Radar has the look CoastalWx *hates* in the winter b/c he knows there will be a sharp line between S+ and "diamond dust!" And the 06z HRRR squishes things S more. 00Z RRFS was more N, but lacks the crazy QPF. HRRR shows some mesoscale thingee forming in ern LI Sound and tracking E. That has the big QPF but largely stays offshore except for MVY/ACK. Also, half-decent backlash comma head pcpn at the end. Sfc only low goes from 1015 to 1009 mb, but is tight/coherent and sets up a small solid gradient along the S Coast and CC. Wind pretty good for July. Sustained max 25G40KT shown front end and 30G45KT max in the rear GON-CQX-PYM. Li'l July Nor'easter! 06z 3/12km NAMs way N. So fcst uncertainty quite high still, esp. given the event is already underway. -
Just by going by sat imagery alone and Bavi's clear and large eye, the centroid of the eye looks like it passed about 6 nm N of the N tip of Rota using EIR. VIS is tougher b/c you have mesovorts within the eye rotating around one another. Each mesovort has its own pressure minimum, and one of those may have crossed Rota. Just curious how this is counted. It is obviously a direct hit but does it count as a landfall? Rota clearly got in the eye, but the centroid was just N. Looking at radar at it's closest approach, looks like the centroid just passed to the N. Radar is better than sat in this case b/c even at 14N, there is a bit of a parallax error in geostationary imagery.
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Just by going by sat imagery alone and a very clear and large eye, the centroid of the eye looks like it passed about 6 nm N of the N tip of Rota using EIR. VIS is tougher b/c you have mesovorts in within the eye rotating around one another. Each mesovort has its own pressure minimum, and one of those may have crossed Rota. It will be very interesting to see the pressure measurements on Rota b/c getting such measurement for a super typhoon at its peak is rare.
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When you have light/weak winds 500 mb and below, chaotic storm motion is common. Mesoscale factors such as storm rotation, outflow boundaries, and cell back-building (discrete propagation) can take front and center, so you get all sorts of odd storm motion. This is basically what you see almost every day in the summer in the Southeast and Gulf Coast states! We saw the same thing today, esp. w/ that svr storm W of Columbia. Hardly moved at first and then started to drift/build S. I attached a short loop of the W of Columbia svr storm. Also, the CG LTG was intense w/ this storm (plot attached). I think this storm was briefly a supercell before it gusted out. It split as well, indicating rotation. See the storm to its N moving NE fairly quickly? That's a left (anticyclonic) supercell split! You can tell b/c of it flared look NW to SE yet moving NE. When a supercell splits, the mesocycylonic split slows down and turns more to the right, while the anticyclonic split accelerates and moves more to the left (in the Northern Hemisphere).
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Not be a "dampener" on the event... Two things should mitigate the extent/severity of the flooding: 1) Antecedent conditions are very dry and water levels in lakes, rivers, and streams are low. This is huge factor in this case. How wet or dry antecedent conditions are in a region when big rains occur can make the difference between modest flooding and record flooding! So in this case, we have a plus. 2) The event will be drawn out over 48 hr. 6" of rain in 6 hr is *not* the same as 6" in 48 hr, as one example, at least when it comes to flash flooding. For large-scale river flooding, this often is a problem, but from item 1 above, rivers are starting low so there is considerable buffer before sig flood stage. Not that there will not be any flooding, but the point here is that not all big events are created equal in terms of potential impact. Some may go, "8" of rain coming???!!! OMG, that means massive flooding!!!" Not necessarily. This is why I emphasize context and perspective so much. W/ wx events, and many other things for the matter, it is *not* "one-size-fits-all!" The ppl out there who know their stuff and how to handle/present data/info will adhere to this essential guideline. As I have mentioned before, communication of risk/threats, not forecast model skill, are the biggest challenge we face these days when it comes to wx events.
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RW++ w/ no thunder observed? Let us know! The HRRR ydy suggested stuff would linger/redevelop after midnight today, but it was right along the S Coast. It's more N, and look in CT and far SW MA. You have these li'l cells developing, moving SE, while high level anvil pcpn areas are moving E! "Pseudo-PRE" event for CT last 12 hr for the big rains coming??
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Yes, a 48 hr event will lessen overall impact. 6" of rain in 6 hr is not the same as 6" in 48 hr, at least not for flash flooding. For larger-scale river flooding, this is not the case. However antecedent conditions being so dry and water levels low, this should mitigate large-scale river flooding. Not that there will be none, but "it could be much worse!" Cliche I know, but sometimes it does fit a scenario well when trying to quantify impact. I always go back to VT w/ Floyd from 1999 and Irene from 2011. Similar big rains in VT from both, but Floyd flooding was not big time, but Irene was. Why?, antecedent conditions. Summer of 1999 was one of the driest on record for NNE, and summer of 2011 one of the wettest. Or going way back, Connie and Diane 1-2 punch in a week Aug 1955. Connie "primed" things, and Diane sealed it. Worst flooding in SNE on record I think.
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Yes most likely, and topography often helps w/ the lift, makes the inflow part condense closer to the ground. Wx tidbit: SCUD stands for "scattered clouds under deck." I think there is a slightly different definition as well (one word different). I know some here already knew this acronym, but many mets I have talked to over time had no idea it was an acronym!
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This falls along the lines of how TCs are treated N of 35N. You can't apply conventional TC rules at higher latitudes due to ET transition and a host of other factors. I think this was w/ Earl in 2010. All models had the hurricane passing E Cape Cod w/ its recurvature. Yet they had TS warning as far W as BDR? That is ridiculous. That explicitly says TS sustained (not gusts) are forecast. How are you going to do that w/ a system that passes E of Cape Cod? TCs are no longer symmetrical at this latitude due to ET transition, and due to forward acceleration, the winds are greatly mitigated W of the center track. It's not "one size fits all" for wx events and all locations, but that's the impression I get at times.
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I agree.
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I try to kindly to back off and end it humbly, and you continue w/ a non-sequitur argument. One does not have to actual live in any given area to know and understand its climate, and all its local nuances and changes over time. Can we be more civil and respectful here?
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I am not lost. I explained myself in the previous post. Crossovers are going to occur at times and threads start to go off on a tangent. That's social media for you. I get it, and I will refrain and be more careful going forward. Levity and implied disparaging statements are not necessary. This is not a contest or right/wrong match. I've been in DC for 8 years now, so I am hardly "new" to this area, just I am participating more on AmrWx now. I have been on AmrWx for over 20 tears.
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Understood. Not trying to cause issues. So many topics in wx are inexorably tied together, it's not always easy to parse things out neatly. And sometimes discrete topics discussed together are relevant and provide value. Yes, I know that is subjective, but that's par for the course.
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Not at all. Not implying anything in this case. I am big into wx reporting stations around the globe and keep track of all METAR/TAF/SYNOP/BUOY.
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Thanks for posting the graph! You can see the big years clearly. 1980, 1988, and 2012 show up well. I agree the long-term trend is up, but it's not strongly. IMHO, the biggest factor is the UHI. I'm originally from the BOS area. Logan Airport has a bunch of issues w/ temp, precip, and snowfall. For temp, once the airport was built, the obs were moved from the downtown. Through the late 70s, the wx equipment was next to the building that housed the NWS at the airport. Then the wx equipment was moved to the center of the runways. Makes sense from an aviation standpoint. But this actually made things *cooler* in the summer b/c the runways are surrounded by water on 3 sides (landfill). So BOS hit 102 on July 21, 1977, and then did not hit 100 again until July 14, 1995. It hit 100 many, many times before 1977. It took 18 years for the UHI effect to get BOS to 100 again, and it has no problem hitting that since. Just shows how even minor changes to wx equipment location can make a sig difference!
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And I just came across this. An AWOS was just commissioned at the Pier 7 Heliport in Baltimore. https://www.airnav.com/airport/4MD So a site to compete w/ the furnace that KDMH is? LOL. The site METARs are not on the WMSCR/NCEP feeds currently. Not sure if they will be, but if they are added, I will let the forum know. No AWOS phone number was listed in the NFDD entry (see attachment).
