I won’t be shocked if there’s still a hideous glacier intact over Kevin’s lawn on Monday but I’m not sure what the debate is worth anyway…I don’t think it would be more than 2 or 3 inches anyway.
But 6-8 hours in the 40s with rain will be tough to fight off. Usually you want like an inch-plus of water in the pack to fight that type of assault off.
I dont think anyone here except maybe one or two of the most star-eyed weenies thinks 2015 is happening this year.
There are plenty of other examples though of non-El Nino late blooming winters like 2012-2013, 2000-2001, 1955-56, 1966-67, etc.
That’s why having empirical data archived is really nice. You can debunk any false stories of “winters of yore” pretty easily if they don’t pass the smell test. We just check the data and see what they were like.
If there’s one aspect of the NAM that makes me a little hesitant to buy the solution is that 850 is a lot warmer than other levels. Usually the NAM hammers that 725-800 layer but it’s not doing that. It has this weird very thin torch layer around 850.
Once the NAM sniffed out that warm layer aloft, you knew it was time to take ‘em down on the front end snow totals. It’s rarely wrong on that part. All the globals will keep slowly ticking toward it….kicking and screaming if need be but they will submit.
Before I knew snow climo I used to always think they got way more than ORH did. I didn’t start figuring it out until maybe when I was about 13 or 14. I had thought the same thing for Springfield too but the December 1992 and March 1993 storms both made me figure it out…but back then prior to internet, I hadnt realized Albany got screwed in Dec 1992. I didn’t read about it until a few years later.
Overall jackpot will be out in western/northwestern NY state and adjacent Canada…but you very well may be the New England jackpot. That area is great on easterly flow.
Agreed. I hadn’t read this post yet but when I responded to hippy i mentioned the sfc warmth is overdone on some of these runs. I think at minimum a triple point low goes over SE MA or close to there (maybe BOS?).
I think the midlevels are cooked though based on the upper air evolution.