LibertyBell

whats the purpose of issuing 14 day forecasts anyway, all funds should be used to make 5 day forecasts as good as can be and just dont spend any money beyond that. Allocate funds to where better results are possible, not in fantasy land.

I ignored winter after 1995-96 I knew it could never get any better so I just quit paying attention to the weather, I dont even remember what those winters were like. It's easier to have a very snowy winter and then not have another one for a few years than to never have experienced it (which is what happened for me in the 80s and early 90s) and always wonder what one would be like....

we even had one in April that year with a blizzard and cold air for a week!

Yeah those things seem to be just as unpredictable as they were 30 years ago hence why noreasters are so hard to forecast 3 days out.

We place way too much focus on ENSO, I have a feeling this would have been the case even without a La Nina. In a neutral phase for example. We might need a really strong El Nino to break this pattern (maybe next year lol). I wouldn't mind another 2015-16. Sacrifice December for a whopper come January/February.

well it's ended here now but looks like a winter postcard scene outside

what about that day in February when we hit 80?

some of my favorite storms of all time, but I think Jan 2016 tops the list. That infamous Feb 1922 storm would be the best of all time by far if only it was all snow..... Feb 1961 is up there too!

2020 could still be the warmest year on record and that would be amazing in a La Nina, let along a strong one.

New Zealand was the first nation to declare a climate emergency and has pledged to go green within 5 years (for all government vehicles and power sources) and says that corporations cannot be relied on to do it themselves and that leadership must come from the government. Way to go, New Zealand and Jacinda Ardern! She's my favorite world leader by far.

Yes...the winter that comes to mind for me is 2005-06 where we had a cold early December (and snow from the city on west) and then a mild latter December and January with a minor snowfall in January and one big snowstorm in February surrounded by warmth and then a cold and dry March and a renegade early April snowfall to get us to 40"

It reminds me of summer lol. How much do the high temps in the Atlantic have to do with this, Chris?

Historically do patterns that evolve in the latter part of December lock in for the majority of winter or are early December patterns more likely to repeat again during the winter, Don?

But Don aren't thaws normal? If we have a cold first half of December that could return in January after a thaw in between. Maybe we'll have a back and forth pattern with chances of snow when switching between patterns?

It was colder in Florida than it was in Maine yesterday.

Got an inch on the ground here with a red fox playing in the snow. Nice prolonged light to occasionally moderate snow.

I believe in superdeterminism. There are no accidents!

It was 37 and snowing in Birmingham Alabama also.

Who knows, maybe we'll get the elusive triple phaser this year! Has any research been done to see which ENSO phase is most likely during triple phasers?

Yeah I like long lasting storms even if the rates are only moderate. Some of our best storms have been like that.

and then a four month long depression in the nonwinter of 01-02.....

that was backside snow that often gets mentioned but rarely occurs Of course people's expectations were much higher than just some backside snow. We had 5" here in SW Nassau, I think Patchogue got a foot? That was the highest amount I saw mentioned on Long Island. SW CT got a lot more.

Yes I have high hopes for future generations as it seems like they have a sense of urgency the rest are lacking. And by future I mean like within the next 5-10 years lol

it also sounds a lot like 2005-06

He is the shining light here, he recognizes that the Paris Treaty is now out of date and we need much faster action now and stronger penalties for those nations who dont. This is a sad commentary, but the rising number of climate catastrophes and their multibillion dollar costs is actually a good thing as it is going to motivate conservatives and so-called moderates in states like Louisiana and Florida to faster action. The more disasters we have and the faster they occur the better for the changes we need. Ditto for pandemics and getting universal healthcare. Sad commentary on the state of this country but this is where we are.