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Hey Walt, can you post a table like this for JFK and LGA also? Specifically for JFK, I remember that our heaviest snowfalls come when the rain/mix line is just south of us! Dec 2003 was like this. And wow Mt Pocono had 30" in one day from the famed Feb 1978 blizzard? Interesting that 1/23/87 is right up there too...1/23 seems to be a rather popular date for HECS although none of the historic east coast storms outside of 1978 are on the MPO list. Also, is the truly heavy snow going to happen after dark? I hate that, makes for less photo ops! It's why I loved J1/2016 long duration and heaviest snow during the day!
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occlusion? that typically happens after storms mature.
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December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
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wow 12/2015 really did break all sorts of warm records, never would have guessed there was a 30 incher on the way a month later or below zero on Valentines Day lol -
Look up the track of the Millenium storm as it crossed central Long Island, it was all snow at JFK
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Same amazing sunset we had here!
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they still take tokens? I imagine at this point they'd take anything lol including monopoly money ;-)
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seems like both 1966-67 and 2010-11
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unfortunately this is why the masses dont take meteorology seriously =\
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Chris what is causing this? I see we've had anomalously strong blocks show up in various parts of the world...maybe the Atlantic's turn has come up again? La Nina or not, it wont matter, as it is really the blocking or lack thereof that determines our winter outcomes (see 2010-11).
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the NWS should have done it themselves using their own criteria. Like they do it in Europe. But America is consistently behind Europe on many scientific endeavors (and politically too.)
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no you dont....this is the kind of storm that is going to have a sharp cut off and where it snows very close to the low center....you want to be as close to the low as you can to get the heaviest snows (just nw of the mix line which be right near the low center).
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it's more than just the track, cold air is getting wrapped into the storm also. Not all storms perform the same way even if they have a similar track. This seems to be a similar storm to the Millenium storm, where cold air got wrapped in all the way to the center and you could be 10 miles west of the low and still be all snow. As long as the low doesn't make it up to our latitude we'll be fine.
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that track is fine even for long island.
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not necessarily.... the Millenium storm cut across long island and there was no mixing here at all on the western part of the south shore of long island.
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we've had storms with that track be all snow here....think Millenium storm.
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December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
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The most unfortunate part of the official record is that New York City (as in The Battery at that time) recorded close to 100 inches of snow in the season before official records began. -
I like it- it keeps the highly tucked in solutions like the Euro honest. Hopefully we see a compromise of the two solutions in actuality.
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that kind of pinpoint specificity is exactly what I've wanted for awhile now, but it seems like the technology isn't there yet and at some point chaos/random effects may limit how accurate these models will ever become.
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December 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
wow this is some unexpectedly historic stuff. When I used to sit in my college library and analyze old snowfall records at NYC and Philly (and there were plenty of records going all the way back to the late 1700s and complete documentation of the 1800s), I never expected that we would ever exceed those numbers! That was part of the reason I loved reading about those times. I wondered how people handled it without electricity. But now, although we dont have nearly the kind of hardship that existed back then (yes, even with the current pandemic, life must've been much tougher back then), we can now say we've had bigger snowstorms and snowfall totals in recorded history than ever before! -
lol it's always something... when will this become the default GFS and when are they retiring the current operational?
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Oh man yea it just kept dumping all day, 6 straight hours of blizzard criteria! What was that other storm that was like a half version of that, I think that was in Jan too, but in 2017 or 2018? Do you remember it- it had 3 straight hours of whiteout during the day and I think Boston beat their 2/1978 surge record. We had two double digit snowstorms that winter.
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lol I like Jonas 1/2016 better but I'd name it something else entirely, I dont like people names for any kind of weather event, not even for hurricanes. I thought it was a 30 hr storm because we had one last long lasting band that went on until 7 am?
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I really think names are necessary because sometimes you have multiple big storms in a month (like Feb 2010) and it gets highly confusing, but I would opt for a more scientific naming scheme (for tropical cyclones too). I can call it Jonas Jan 2016 or just Jonas 1/2016. The decision to name itself is pretty scientific, as they go with areal coverage of winter storm warnings or population covered under winter storm warnings, whichever is reached first. In Europe, all big storms are named (not sure of their criteria.) I would also name big storms that dont meet snow criteria if they meet wind criteria (gale or storm warnings of a certain areal or population coverage).
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I'm glad I was here on Long Island for that one!
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