LibertyBell

Suppressed patterns were common in the 80s though, it was just too cold for snow back then Before it warmed up too much for snow lol

Walt, so 0.1" snow this morning at MPO and 0.5"? yesterday? I saw Boston had 1.2"-- is this their first snow of the season?

This is not about that but just some thoughts about the current pattern. People blaming this on La Nina are a little off target IMO. This winter isn't behaving like a la nina, especially not with that firehose of moisture going right into California (which they really need). This winter has a mixture of el nino and la nina elements or more accurately, it's behaving like a neutral enso. AND NEUTRAL IS THE WORST POSSIBLE ENSO TO GET. especially after a la nina! Just like la nina after el ninos become our hall of fame winters (following hall of fame summers), neutral after la ninas become our hall of shame winters. Look at this list of neutral winters after la nina.... 1989-90 2001-02 2011-12 Some list huh? This is behaving MUCH more like a neutral enso.....

Yeah Jan 2016 wasn't higher than those 2 (1993 and 1996) but I would rank it higher than March 1960

Best example of corporations being psychopathic are the big banks-- let's use Wells Fargo and Bank of America as examples. They break the law numerous times and all that ever happens are some fines and the CEOs get a huge severance package. The latest example is Wells Fargo stealing ("repossessing") people's homes and cars claiming those people owed them money and finding out later they were lying (as usual) and now they have to pay 250 million in fines. If the Supreme Court claims (wrongly) that corporations should be given the rights of "people" then they should be fully subject to the laws that people face and for many of these kinds of horrendous crimes these corporations deserve the death penalty.

Walt how much well in the Poconos? I see they had snow there this morning too.

I guess there's still a chance we could beat the 1995-96 records one day. Both were la ninas after el ninos and thats what we need-- both for super hot summers and super snowy winters.

Walt, I heard that the Poconos had some snow this morning too?

they're always cold and snowy

I always thought 13-14 was further down the list because most of those snowfall events were mixed precip. To give a winter an A+ there must be at least one widespread 20"+ snowstorm.

Yep I see large stretches of barren land in the Alps in the winter, they are going to have a lot of fresh water shortages in Europe too.

Amazing that 2002-03 is never recalled for cold and yet it was so consistently cold, moreso than 2010-11 which had all those consecutive days of snowcover.

I mean what we should be doing is banning supermergers so exxon-mobil was never allowed to occur (exxon who lied and covered up climate change research in the 70s)....or monsanto-bayer (and how they threatened UN scientists who wanted to publish research about what their pesticides do to pollinators.) I don't think the public wanted this research covered up or the threats they gave. I strongly believe corporations should be regulated so that 1) they are not allowed to influence government in any way-- including banning corporate lobbyists completely and 2) they should not be allowed to have any people on regulatory agencies.

2002-03 too! The two greatest winters I can remember.... That was our last wall to wall winter wasn't it?

You set your alarm clock by the models don't you lol

No thats going to be May. I just hope we follow the 2002 pattern and transition to warm/hot and dry and less humid when the warm season arrives. Errrr, "warm(er)" season lol

I guess you could say Jan 2016 was a fitting end to the snowy era. I wanted to get a 30" snowstorm and I got it.

Best skiing is in the Rockies. Most of the skiiers will probably be going there from now on. And California.

Looks like the chances are more likely it will rain (even inland) rather than go offshore?

Don how did Dec 2022 make this list up at 4? It didn't snow in any really populated megalopolis city? Also has anyone wrote to them complaining about the error of the map for Jan 2016, there was a large stripe of 30+ snow that went west to east from Harrisburg to Allentown right to JFK and Oceanside....they have us in 20-30, it should be in the "red zone"?

The hilarious thing is, with climate change, heating our homes may become much less of a necessity within a few decades. I turn my heat completely off now a few days every winter and even open my windows. This is what I find so hypocritical about the media-- on the one hand they get so excited when it gets warm in the winter and you can tell they absolutely hate snow, on the other hand they also keep complaining about climate change. My anger about climate change is more towards the corruption and lying of corporations and how greedy and evil they are (they are truly psychopathic)....but the media itself is pretty bad when they want to have their cake and eat it too. If they love warm winters so much they can't be complaining about climate change.

I think in terms of paradigm shifts they do happen within a few decades. Progress isn't a straight line (evolution isn't either), there's a long time where nothing happens and then a sudden rapid seismic shift and then a new plateau. Evolution worke the same way but to get evolution to work rapidly, you historically first need a mass extinction event and then nature rapidly fills those specialized environments with new species that can survive under new conditions (on evolutionary timescales, 100,000 years is considered "rapid.")

I think it's more like realizing that the fuel being used is flammable and the rocket is getting warmer and looking for alternatives before the ship explodes. There are many different possibilities and it's interesting you used this analogy because nuclear fusion would probably be the most efficient most environmentally friendly fuel source that rockets could use.

For maximum extent though Jan 1996 PD2 and February 1983 rank at the top for megalopolis blizzards. None of the other snowstorms we've had have delivered the entire megalopolis such high snowfall totals.

Jan 2016 was stronger than either and should have been the third Cat 5 blizzard but the NESIS people didn't properly account for the high totals around here.