LibertyBell

Interesting that the mountains of Northern New England are warming a lot faster than the Rocky Mountains (though they are warming too, and now forest fires are happening there in Colorado)

I think we have to stick around for a few more decades to remind people this actually happened in the 80s lol. If people just look at snowfall, the 80s weren't all that good but there were several interesting weather events and extremes back then that just don't look very likely anymore. April blizzard? Below zero on Christmas morning? I don't see that happening again in our lifetimes.

Thanks Don, did JFK also have single digit highs and below zero lows on these dates (or in 1977)? I lived in Park Slope, Brooklyn in the 70s and early 80s up until November 1982 (I saw the April 1982 blizzard there!) and we moved to Long Island's south shore after that so I saw February 1983 there. Normally I use NYC as my "location" up through Veteran's Day 1982 (the day we moved) and JFK after that. JFK got over 20" in February 1983 (I think-- they always do better in strong el nino snowstorms-- same thing happened in PD2 and January 2016!) so that works for me!

Thanks nice memories-- it was like a dusting here if I remember correctly. The 80s definitely had mostly thread the needle and wasted cold was so common back then, looks like we might be back to that kind of pattern. If that's true we should be happy with getting to around 2 feet of snowfall every year.

Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. It was about 6 inches here....I guess the rates are what kept it mostly snow here (changed to drizzle right at the end) and some of the heaviest daytime snow I saw that year-- which is saying a lot lol.

He was reading this thread tonight. Happy New Years!

1966-67 is listed among my favorite types of winters and years and why sometimes very snowy winters follow very hot summers....when an el nino is ending (which happened early in 1966) there is a heat release and that resulted in the very wonderfully hot and dry summer of 1966, which was followed by a pseudo la nina the next winter..... so the combo of the ending el nino's STJ jet combined with the arctic shots that come from a la nina (it wasn't officially, but neutral is good enough for me) gave us the amazing winter we had that year. It bears a lot of similarities to 1995-96....when we had the mild January after the blizzard and then a roaring return to winter in February and March. And that was also a very hot summer followed by a very snowy winter and also an el nino followed by a la nina....and it happened again in 2010-11 (very hot and dry summer followed by a snowy winter because of an el nino followed by a la nina)!

Is an exorcism required?

Like backloaded storms lol

They were here for awhile

One more after this

Another

And it's rather funny all three of them never faced the same direction it was either two of them pointed at me and one pointed away or two of them pointed away and only one pointed at me lol

Well now they don't even seem to make it here. The one we had last week was just mostly cloudy skies for a bit. On the plus side....I got to take a picture of an amazing sight. Even in all this cold weather....the wild parrots are doing well, just huddled together trying to stay warm lol.

Forky will love it!

When I rewatched the Matrix....I felt a sense of dejavu....and not just because I was watching it again lol. Because it really feels like we are headed down this path.

Why is research so slow? Humanity seems to be so slow in developing new technology both for space and for energy-- it seems like we have plateaued in these areas and all the new technological development is happening in computers and other consumer technology. Is this just not well funded? I've also read that particle physics and high energy physics isn't well funded either-- therefore-- nothing happening there after the Higgs Boson was discovered, nowhere close to a Theory of Everything.

So Jan 1977 ranks with Jan 1994 then. Was the high 7 in Jan 1985? So 1980 and 1985 had the only two single digit diurnal highs in my lifetime then.

Chris, I talked about 83-84 in the December thread in relation to the other wonderfully extreme years that resulted from going from an el nino to a la nina (extremely hot summers-- actual heat not just high mins-- to very snowy winters.) Although 83-84 wasn't extremely snowy it did have more frequent snows and of course the arctic cold was there. What were the other two 20"+ snowfall cases besides that, were any of them multi year la ninas? I see years in there where the AO either wasn't low enough (not lower than -2) or they weren't snowy enough to qualify. How many do we have where the December AO was both lower than -2 and they had 20"+ of seasonal snowfall?

How low did it get in 1885-96, Don, lower than -2?

why can't we actually get a block to block stuff away from us lol

Hopefully mild weather and sunshine, I dont want to see rain every other day.

2010-11 is in an entirely different category because it was a la nina after an el nino I posted on this extensively in the December thread as being the ideal combo if you love extremes (going from extreme summer heat to extremely high snowfalls.)

So basically an extended fall and shorter winter.

This probably also explains why DC has gotten into a much worse snow drought than we have, they depended on that for their snowfall more than we do (we get most of ours via coastals.) Combine this with warming oceans also changing the trajectory of arctic airmasses and that's another reason you get the cold being dumped into the west and the central parts of the continent the vast majority of the time first now.