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But if you read it and the accuweather linked thread, they say "rain or snow, wet snow or mixed precip" lol and that over the long term extremes usually balance out. So in the end they're really not saying anything much, just surrounding the hype with a bunch of qualifiers lol.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/winter-weather/big-weather-changes-are-on-the-way-for-the-midwest-northeast/1434437 Interesting list at the end of this page-- I didn't know 2020 had the most days (by far) between measurable snow.... 332 days, ranks it higher than 1973, 2002, 2000 or 1998! 7 of the top 10 are 1998 or later.

Lock it in, put it in Fort Knox and swallow the keys lol. Don't want this thing to change.

It depends. 1989-90 and 1994-95 are both considered pretty bad winters.

Wow that's amazing-- did you get something similar in 1998 too? I remember seeing some amazing ice (damage) pictures from up there.

Was that the same winter we had a historic ice storm that ranks up there with Jan 1994 as the two biggest ice storms we've ever had, Don? Jan 1994 was amazing 1.5-2 inches of ice here on the south shore! Does anyone ever keep records of the biggest ice storms? I'd like to see the records for both NYC and JFK if they do. JFK stayed below freezing for the duration of the Jan 1994 ice storm so I know they were all ice/frozen and no plain rain.

Wow so shocking to see winters from the 1800s in this list, Don. Whats that winter that begins at the bottom and takes a straight hike up to the top at the end lol. I'll take that winter. Betting it's 2015-16

That's pretty reflective of what's been going on here too. I remember reading comments that the snow has been wetter up there too, with marginal temps, and that is one of the reason for the extensive power outages.

Wow that's gorgeous you can see Orion's belt there too (the three stars in a row.) I wonder what the Orion Nebula would look like through the Northern Lights!

Maybe this is also part of some cyclic thing, all this convo about record rains and snows out west-- maybe we are finally going to end that multidecade drought out west. I haven't heard much about forest fires there the last few months.

I love the Northern Lights too, what's the best place to see those there?

Which was their coldest December in 100 years-- was it recently?

and that was an el nino, we can get skunked in any enso lol. 1972-73 was bad but I can only rank the ones I experienced and I'd say 2001-02 was worse. I wonder how the worst 5 rank on the WSI (Winter Severity Index) and inversely, how the top 5 rank too. My worst has to be 2001-02 with 1997-98 a strong second. Nothing else comes close to those two. Top winters for me are 1995-96, 2002-03, 2010-11, 2009-10, 1993-94, 2014-15, 2013-14, 2017-18, 2003-04

I see there's a snow drought going on up there too, outside of a few select lake belt regions. Syracuse has been in a snow drought for years.

Might need to take another trip to Iceland to see some snow lol One thing that is clear-- there is never a guarantee of snow around here, no matter the pattern or signal lol. I think the closest we can ever come to a guarantee anywhere in the East is that there will always be lake effect snow lol.

Good to see you back, man. We got worried about you being gone for so long.

Night time was the best part, it stuck to the sides of the houses because the wind was blowing so hard.

if you want to use la nina big snowstorms, they usually happen in la ninas that happen after el ninos we have some prime examples of them in December 1995, January 1996, February 1996, December 2010 and January 2011. I loved those storms. Wow 1995-96 had three of them and 2010-11 had two of them....

Snowicane, you got 20" in that.

I know haha New England got screwed like they did in the Blizzard of 1888. We had heavy rain for the first half and heavy snow for the second half. I think the amounts were about the same as for the Feb 2013 event here

I have read elsewhere that la ninas and neutral phases need to be grouped together (for our weather purposes anyway)-- do you agree with this Don? The thinking is for winter weather purposes, it's either an el nino or not. If we do group la ninas and neutral phases together then winters like 2001-02 come into play-- that's the only one I can think of which has been like this. 1989-90 too if you take out the November storm though. What's your thinking on this, Don? Also, this Friday the 13th potential storm, is this a coastal storm if it does happen? Is it currently offshore on the models? Do we have a chance mainly because storms tend to move west and north with time? Another question is even if the storm takes a benchmark track would there even be enough cold air around to snow? Thanks!

I see the 12-24 range but I can only assume the higher ends of that range were well east of here. It wasn't anywhere close to 16 here let alone 20. This was a latitude and longitude storm where you had to be NE of the city to get the highest totals. Half of this storm was actually rain here. The February 2010 storm was far superior to this (the one at the end of February).

Something I did find interesting which they just said (don't laugh) was on the weather channel. "It's weird they're getting so much rain in California, you usually don't see this in a La Nina."

Right and this is the best way to cause sustainable change....you have to show people how it benefits them. It's the whole idea behind benefit corporations too (companies that seek to preserve the environment and help their communities in addition to increasing stock value.) You have to benefit them by giving them tax breaks and helping them out economically so they can benefit the rest of us.

Normal temps may be hard to come by especially when it's precipitating. If you've noticed highs in the 30s and lower seem to happening only when cold fronts push through and when we get a storm it's in the 40s or higher.