LibertyBell

what causes the tiny flake size? is that a function of temp (higher temps give you giant flake size as the flakes melt together and refreeze on each other) and you get sound effect snow in Long Beach?

ah okay so Jan 2016 totals with higher than a 10:1 ratio can happen with higher winds if those other factors (flake size, etc.) are better?

Wow the wind can get it under 10:1 with temps that low? But how did we get higher than 10:1 ratios in Jan 2016 with winds that were higher than this (true blizzard conditions at JFK for 12 hours straight) and temps higher too (in the 20s)?

30" dude, I had 30" on the ground at the end of the storm, so I didn't even have to measure it every 6 hours to get there. It was a true 30 incher even by the old method of measuring. 6 hour method gave me 32" and old end of storm method gave me 30"

I'm confused this is not what the NWS reported. Most of these are too low (EWR is too high).

Hey thanks JM. do you have LE for all of these by any chance?

The problem is the LE was 0.87 so if it's 8.3" of snow and it's hard to see lower than 10:1 ratios with temps in the mid teens. 12:1 should be the ratio. Anyone have LE for JFK with their 12.6" and LGA and EWR and ISP?

I dont blame you, getting a foot of snow sucks when everyone else gets 20"+ Been there, done that. My whipping boy for that kind of storm is Feb 2006, where Central Park got 26" ..... and I got 13" LOL. I'm 25 miles SE of there. Even JFK, which is 4 miles NE of of here had 17" To add insult to injury it was a night time storm, and I want at least some of the heaviest snow to fall during the day. The temps were fine, it was the subsidence that did us in.

I know you weren't alive for it, but Feb 1983 was another late tick storm (also a strong el nino storm). PD2 was another one of those. Both of those delivered over 20" to the south shore, just like Jan 2016 did. Jan 1996 was also a late tick storm, another 20 incher here.

I'm not sure a 2/6/10 like storm has ever happened before where Toms River got 20" of snow and NYC got 0" More likely is for NYC to get 4-6 in a storm like that.

I'm originally from Long Island and it's where I am for this storm, I just happen to have a second home in the Poconos at around 2,200 ft (there's no listing of an airport for where I have that second house, it's halfway between Allentown and Mt Pocono.)

You guys can have that but I'm the opposite, I'm a snow purist, I want snow and nothing but snow. I don't even like the term "winter storm" The hell does that even mean? So if it snows in March or April is that a Spring Storm? If it snows in November is that a Fall Storm? I want all snow storms to actually be called snow storms- not winter storms! If it's freezing rain call it an ice storm and if it's sleet call it a sleet storm and if it's everything mixed together call it a smorgasbord storm idc.

Hey now, well at least you didn't mention Long Island in there lol

Hasn't Islip had 25" before? I seem to remember them getting 24" a few times, maybe 25"?

20" is my minimum threshold for historic too. Expecting 2 feet (24 inches) is just too much down where I live (it's only happened twice in my lifetime PD2 and JAN 2016), but 20" has happened either once or twice every decade. My definitions: 5" - SECS 10" - MECS 20" - HECS 30" - BECS

I don't think he's aware you only got 12" in this storm lol.

But that's less than 10:1 which seems really unlikely with temps in the mid teens

I have the same theory and maybe an adjacent one to that. So basically global warming is changing storm tracks to where storms that would go out to see are now coming closer to the coast because of the higher SST. Models are picking up on it with the "NW trend." The first time I saw this mentioned was by Messenger in 2005. He used it to great effectiveness to predict storms would be coming in closer to the coast. We are also seeing a slowing down of the gulf stream AMOC. Compare this to the 80s when we had much colder Januarys and alternated between cutters and offshore storms.

wtf the LE changes everything. Originally when I eyeballed the data I went with 8-9 too, so maybe a trifle undermeasurement- maybe like 8.8 instead of 8.3? Big deal. But how the hell can you have a less than 10:1 water equivalent ratio with temps in the teens? Surely the winds can't have that much of an effect? I could see 12:1 but nothing lower than that. 12:1 would come out to around 10.5 inches. What was the LE at JFK with their 12.6 inches?

That's exactly what happened here too. The drifts made it seem like a lot more, but the final total was 15" here. 25 inches just a bit east of here.

You sound like you're JACKED on something.

Did you enjoy it more than Jan 2018 or Boxing Day, Ray?

I dont even know why they even bother to measure snow in Manhattan. It never sticks around. All official weather measurements should be done in Queens. JFK had over a foot of snow.

I guess I missed something lol

Awesome, maybe you'll be able to compare it to what it looks like in Long Beach. I don't think any of this stuff is going to melt before Wednesday.