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we had blizzard warnings in the city? I don't remember that. I remember 6-8 inches here which is a very good storm for March. Can't really expect more than that in March,

and it hasn't happened in my lifetime.

They are in a better position for the west to east track that typically exits near the Virginia capes. I remember seeing a map of typical tracks storms take that go west to east and they're well located for that track.

This goes towards what I said yesterday, that we need coastal storms, NYC is particularly sensitive to storm track. A place like DC can get to normal snowfall without them but we cannot. Without coastal storms, we will either have a miss to the south and get cold and dry weather, or a miss to the north and get rain. West to east storms don't normally cross near enough to us to give us a significant amount of snow.

Good, I'm headed there on the 18th. Snow is most beneficial for the ski areas.

a mixing storm would fit la nina climatology plus a hugger is what we would expect to see in a thread the needle scenario coming out of suppression. On the positive side, a lot of people would see significant snow out of a storm like that even if it's not the immediate coast. A few inches changing to rain is better than a miss. It's these kinds of storms that most commonly occur in this area.

They've done some major cost cutting. Actually so has ESPN, but ESPN was smart enough not to skimp on live coverage.

it seems like suppression is common in some of our lowest snowfall winters areas to our south also got more snow than us in 1972-73 and 2001-02

Oh yes they do. the southern storm track favors them it's happened time and again there are two primary storm tracks, one to the south and one to the north, NYC is between the two tracks. You need a coastal to get the higher totals around here because west-east storm tracks don't usually cut it for this region it's not some fluke, it's actually rather common but it used to be much more common in the past. It almost always happens in January when the risk of suppression is the greatest.

How did December 1989 bust so badly in a historically cold pattern? I remember rain and thunderstorms instead of our forecast heavy snow. Did DC and Boston both get a lot of snow from that? This came months after am equally bad bust in the opposite direction-- February 1989. Both were forecast for 6-8 inches we got virga in one and rain and thunderstorms in the other lol.

all day whiteout conditions I loved that storm!

I think people are tired of the block already lol

Do you agree it's good to see a coastal hugger right now because we're in a suppressed pattern? Not that such a storm can't happen in a suppressed pattern (see December 1989) which was the second blown 6-8 inch forecast in 1989 lol.

It dropped 20+ just inland from the coast and even a foot on Long Island so most would be happy if that kind of outcome happened again. Plus it was during a la nina and in the middle of a very cold pattern too.

No I mean, it took a similar path to that track. December 2000.

Millenium storm

yes it's actually good to see a coastal hugger right now

If you look specifically at January, our mean temp that month was in the mid to upper 20s for a large part of that decade with huge and historic arctic outbreaks in 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985 and 1989. But our Februarys were typically much warmer, so the cold was mostly confined to January (and sometimes December, as in 1989.) Cold and dry followed by rainy cutters was a big thing back then and sometimes we had small to moderate snowfalls. There were some underrated winters in the 80s though Christmas 1980 the only time I've ever seen it get below 0 on Christmas and snow fell! I find 1981-82 to be an extremely underrated winter-- check out what happened in January and then of course we had April. 1982-83 had the big HECS and the latest accumulating snowfall on record on April 20th. 1983-84 had the aforementioned moderate snowfalls (two 4 inchers) but was an extremely cold winter. January 1985 had the largest arctic outbreak I've ever experienced. January 1987 is an underrated winter storm. 1987-88 was an underrated winter. December 1989 we already discussed-- it was as frigid as our coldest Januarys. Keep in mind that although Central Park *only* got down to -1 or -2 in these arctic outbreaks (much colder than anything we've had since 2016 as it is), Newark and even Philly were MUCH colder. Around -10 on Christmas 1980, January 1982, January 1985. Could you imagine the headlines if it got down to -10 in the metro area now? real temperature-- not wind chill!

can't really complain about not being the jackpot when everyone gets over 20" (as per that map) lol

he's probably talking about when it was 65 at Newark about a week ago

all those places have way more ways of getting snow than this area does.

It's interesting to realize that for 85% of earth's history, ice caps didn't even exist.

eh the 1980s were EXTREMELY COLD, especially January. it's how we came to realize that just because it's cold doesn't mean it will snow lol.

That January 2018 storm we've been reminiscing about was way better than any of those March storms.

Maybe once in 10 years, I have a hard time believing that we'll get a storm like January 2016 again in our lifetimes, for the city and coast of course.