LibertyBell

wow they have increased even more than NYC has. I wonder if they had a similar dip in snowfall average in the 70s and 80s like NYC did, and a higher peak back in the earlier decades (when NYC was averaging 30 inches or more of snow every decade.)

wow interesting, I don't believe we've had many back to back el ninos (the only other ones I know about are 1976-77 and 1977-78) what were the totals in 1918-19 and 1919-20 if you don't mind me asking, Don?

Yeah the person who designed the highways here just didn't want people to travel a lot between Manhattan and Long Island.

I think your area should have around a 35 inch average basically between Huntington and Wading River and down to about Upton. SW Nassau is closer to coastal NJ in climate I always look at that area to see if we are going to do well with snow more than I do either Suffolk County or NYC. North coastal NJ though, not a place like Toms River or further south.

I guess sometimes a slide rule is required lol

Was 1919-20 also a moderate or strong el nino, Don?

I would like it to be 30 inches lol, that's a nice round number. That 30 year average is so unbearably close to 30 inches lol, so let's just keep it at 30 inches. Boston's average also went up with the new 30 year averages, but I don't think it got over 45....not sure what it is now but the old 30 year averages were around 42.

Interesting, 7.2 at Blakeslee (where I-80 and I-81 meet, that's my exit when on I-80) and only 2.7 at Mt Pocono which is to their east lol.

You're right, and parts of Suffolk County are even more rural. If I didn't know where I was, I would have thought I was somewhere upstate with all the deer around lol. It's also good to remember that the parts of Suffolk County that get the most snowfall also have a latitude advantage over NYC, so they really are like the northern suburbs in that way.

Lucky lol. The roads on Long Island are horrendous. In a way it makes sense though, as the climate does rapidly change as soon as you head inland. It's definitely a completely different climate zone even a little west of the Lincoln Tunnel. I think that's probably what he's subconsciously thinking, as the distance thing doesn't really work because Suffolk County is pretty far away from the city.

Good point! So does this apply to the airports too? I couldn't find the maximum snow depth that JFK had for the Jan 2016 HECS but I always assumed it was less than the 30.8" total they measured in the storm, perhaps 28"? And I believe Allentown measured 34.6" in that storm, so their maximum snow depth would have been around 32"?

just say coastal plain, because the climate rapidly changes as you go inland. I see that as I head west basically once 20 minutes beyond the Lincoln Tunnel you see snow on the side of the roads lol I think NYC and Long Island are mostly in the same climate zone and NW NJ is two climate zones colder than we are.

I think it's 41 or 42 inches for Boston and for NYC it's about 26 inches (or 28 inches if you use the entire climate record).

They say that because they're part of the coastal plain. How long does it take to get from Eastern Orange to the city by the way? When I worked out in Babylon/West Islip, it took me an hour to get into the city.

lol I had to correct TWC this morning, they said that Stony Brook is 1500-2000 ft above sea level and that's why they got 8-12 inches of snow (WTF-- they had eastern Suffolk painted in 5-8 and 8-12 inches of snow!) This is what I wrote to them: Stony Brook is not at 1500-2000 feet! No place on Long Island is even at 500 feet! And where did those 5-8 and 8-12 inch accumulations on Long Island come from- I dont see anything over 2.1 inches on the NWS report!

pretty much all of Nassau county did horribly lol....looks like SW CT did badly too, Bridgeport only got a Trace

so that was their primary low aka cutter ;-)

it's too tucked in for that, tear out all that polluting concrete and replace it with greenery to end UHI and build a huge lake to our NW for lake effect lol

If you just go by single digit snowfalls, I think it's just low and middling, you really dont see any big snowfall years after single digit snowfall winters. Average is probably the best we can hope for --unless-- we get a moderate el nino and in that case we can always root for 2002-03 lol

a couple of times we've seen back to back single digit snowfall winters and even three out of four seasons in one stretch

it's a flawed record because just a few years before that new york city had 100 inches of snow but because it was measured in a different part of the city (The Battery I think, where it usually snows less than at the park) it doesn't get taken into account. Real snowfall history of NYC and PHL goes back to the 1700s and both have recorded multiple seasons of 100 inch snowfall seasons.

it's a shame because records like that have been kept in our area going back to the 1700s and there have been snowier years than the ones in central park recorded history, as a matter of new york city likely had 100 inches of snow just a few years before that in the mid 1860s

Don, when you have time could you possibly list the 3 airport plus NYC totals since this might have been our last accumulations of the season? Thanks! I believe LGA is the only one over 3" (thanks to that December storm) and NYC is at 2.3" and JFK is now at 2.1" I believe EWR is over NYC's total but also under 3" These could be the new record snowfall totals at NYC and EWR (both breaking their records from 1972-73), but not at JFK or LGA I believe? The latter two still have their record low snowfall totals from 1972-73 intact?

somehow both JFK and LGA eeked out 0.1" of snowfall there was also this measurement that made me laugh :3/14/2023,0500 PM, NY, SUFFOLK, 3.6 NE CALVERTON, , , 40.9619, -72.7158, SNOW_24, 0.001, INCH, COOP, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL, :3/14/2023,0400 PM, NY, SUFFOLK, MOUNT SINAI, , , 40.9331, -73.0192, SNOW_24, 0.001, INCH, COOP, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL, I take it 0.001 inch means Trace, as I also saw this: 3/14/2023,0400 PM, NY, NEW YORK (MANHATTAN), CENTRAL PARK, , , 40.7779, -73.9679, SNOW_24, 0.001, INCH, OFFICIAL NWS OBS, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL, Here are the JFK and LGA measurements :3/14/2023,0400 PM, NY, QUEENS, 1 S KENNEDY AIRPORT, , , 40.6445, -73.7799, SNOW_24, 0.10, INCH, OFFICIAL NWS OBS, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL, :3/14/2023,0400 PM, NY, QUEENS, NYC/LA GUARDIA, , , 40.7779, -73.8762, SNOW_24, 0.1, INCH, PUBLIC, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL, and the Newark trace :3/14/2023,0400 PM, NJ, ESSEX, 1 N NEWARK AIRPORT, , , 40.6962, -74.1729, SNOW_24, 0.001, INCH, OFFICIAL NWS OBS, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL, and the Bridgeport trace :3/14/2023,0400 PM, CT, FAIRFIELD, BRIDGEPORT AIRPORT, , , 41.1634, -73.1288, SNOW_24, 0.001, INCH, OFFICIAL NWS OBS, 24 HOUR SNOWFALL,

well snowboy19 is the yin to snowman19's yang so that's no surprise.