EastonSN+

Yup. 1955 to 1969 and 2000 through 2018 skewed perspective.

1,000% Also I remember a LOT of warm winter months in the 80s. Some posters make it sound like the 80s were an arctic tundra. The 70s were very cold. Just not much snow.

The 80s were considered worse than the 90s depending on point of view. The 90s had more above average snowfall winters (2) compared to the 80s (1), however, the 90s were warmer. The 1970s were cold but only 2 above average snowfall winters (one was just 2 inches above average). Please be cautious when listening to posters writing in definitives. The posters that just give the current facts statistics and seasonal opinions are the most reliable IMO. There was a reason people always worried about the return of the 1980s (cold dry, warm wet) pattern during the good stretch. Now we are in it.

Are there stats comparing average snowfall in a neg epo pattern verse wpo driven? I would imagine it would be less but not abysmal.

2000-2001 central park had 35 inches. I believe the 30 year average at that time was approx 27 so slightly above average. 2008-2009 central park had 27.6, which at that time I believe that average was approx 28 so basically average. 2007-2008 was only 11.9 so a dude. So IF we only took those three examples an equal chance of above, average and below snowfall.

2000 Central park was above average snowfall for the season. 2008 close to average snowfall and a lot of ice. 2007 pretty bad for them.

Great post. I can only imagine the posts before 2000. I get it though, if most of my experience was from close to 2000 onwards I would probably feel the same.

Great post!!

Again courtesy of the MA forum. Its the NAM so grain of salt at this range but would fit the last few years where the Delmarva schoold our area w/r/t %of average snowfall lol.

With snow cover to the north, may help multiple record lows.

Courtesy of the MA forum. The MA beating us to the first accumulation would be fitting in the current cutter/suppressed period we are in.

2008/2009 was referenced as a possible analog for this year. However I do mot recall the PNA state for that season.

TWC mentioned a few records can fall tomorrow morning w/r/t record lows. Bridgeport is one location. 17 is the current record there. Something to watch.

I feel like 2020/2021 is our recent version of 2000/2001.

From 1997 through 2002 central park had 2 winters of 5.5 and 3.5 along with 10, 12.7, 16.3 Also, 1989 was 8.1.

I think we will get something similar. However we used up 1 above average snowfall winter on 2020/2021 now we only have 4 left lol.

I think there is a lot of exaggeration too. I literally lived during the 1980s and it was not "frigid". We had cold spells like December 89 however I remember the big talk back then was it was getting too warm to snow and it was the new norm. I actually believed it until 2000 through 2018 happened, which I learned replicated 1955 through 1969. It has gotten warmer. However we are still seeing the Delmarva getting snowstorms like the 80s. Back then was cold and dry warm and wet. That is what we have now. Also neg. NAOs have failed us many times. Its just that 1955 through 1969 and 2000 through 2018 we succeeded more often than not. Now we are replicating the failures of 1970 through 1999. 30 years of abysmal snowfall with 5 above average snowfall winters in 30 years!! I expect the same now until we get to the next favorable period (hopefully I am still alive). It just bothers me as I actually lived it. This is why I am not alarmed wrt snowfall failures.

This is incorrect. 4 winters (40%) of the 1980s had below 20 inches of snowfall, the lowest 8.1 inches in 88/89.

I believe its a function of not living through the lean years prior to 2000. People expect the bonanza of snowstorms during that time and get frustrated when we regress back to the mean.

Loving the end of the EPS run. You can see the ridging in the eastern PAC moving east towards the west coast.

Completely agree. I posted earlier this has a similar track as December 5/6 2009 with rain and white rain on the coast and snow inland. Unfortunately I had to witness this over and over again growing up in the 80s and 90s lol. Warm wet/cold dry. Good setup for the Middle Atlantic and great lakes though!

I lived in Norwalk CT at the time and it snowed the entire time yet did not accumulate at all.

Thinking December 5/6 decent comparison.

Courtesy of Rays winter storm archive. Again no accumulation for the coast.

I believe a good comparison would be December 5/6 2009. Offshore track resulting in hours of white rain. Areas just north and west had a moderate accumulation. Actually a perfect benchmark track.