40/70 Benchmark

02-03 was a better retention season, but I would take that March event over any storm from 02-03. PD II was huge disappointment in Wilmington.

Well, both 2007 and 2008 had one....on the brighter side, maybe we can push it back since that type of gradient pattern may set up a bit later in the month, than those years.

Yea, it wouldn't take a miracle, but unlikely.

It means a snowy month of December...targeted interior and high elevations of SNE first half, then north and northeast SNE second half. January transitions to more huggers and cutters.

Hopefully we can grab a bootleg NAO to salavage medicority, and name it Can Newton.

Yea, that is my feeling.....we transition from Dec 2009 to Dec 2007/2008, and eventually January 2008.

I am hopeful that it will be more gradient because I don't think the arctic will be awful...at least not until some point in January. Frankly, I am surprised that we are seeing much of any PNA at all in December, so certainly not shocked that the end is in sight.

Disagree? Looks more la ninaish, but my guess is the arctic will determine whether its more gradient or gave yard.

Looks like a grinch period possible leading into the holidays...hopefully more of a gradient deal, then a torch.

Are you BOX's secret weapon?

Changes, yea...snow after the 10th.

It's always been after the 10th for Will, Scott and myself.

I think this is valid for the season in general.

Exactly.

Don't hold your breath.

Yea, that is a given. Next weekend has alway been WMH.

I fully expect some bad tracks even during good stretches this season.

Everyone has their breaking point....if we haven't had anything by about 12/20 with nothing significant in sight, then you likely lose me.

I agree, but not in this case. I think expectations are pretty low for a couple of more weeks.

Enough with the condescending BS that anyone who doesn't agree with you is either a moron, or not stable enough to accept that you are right. I think the mystery of why you are such a socially tormented soul has been solved. That attitude is people repellant, period....nevermind the opposite sex. Good luck.

Its is sound...you need cold to snow. I never denied Hadley cell expansion and global warming, but it can't rain above the latitude of Myrtle Beach from December to March without eliciting a 7 paragraph exercise in pedantic redundancy from you....which awkwardly concludes with a line or two of lament about how no woman wants to look at you, and the one that did, no longer wants to. It's always rained in the mid latitudes during winter....its not always a sign of cannibalistic Hadley Cells eating the world.

It's not physically impossible...its happening because the heights are closing off on the heels of Pac jet dominant pattern. I feel like you employ global warming, Hadley cell expansion, or some other derivative there of far too liberally. Fact of the matter is that early Dec is still pretty hostile snow climo for much of SNE,and there isn't much margin for error. That has always been the case.

I disagree that it's odd to rain in SNE in early December with Canada void of cold...speaking of irrefutable...

Sorry, man....gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I'm sure there are some events that would have been snow 40 years ago because the globe in in fact warming. But this is not one of them....this would have rained on the Boston tea party.

Don't get me wrong....global warming is real...but why are we raising eyebrows when it takes time to reload the source region after a month of seeing the continent gang-raped by the Pacific?