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I did not evade your point. I said I agree with that, however, I don't feel as though piggy backing off of the post of a dude implying that anyone expecting a pattern change has not learned anything from last year was the proper context. Using last season as a learning experience while appreciating the difference between this year and last are not mutually exclusive. Now drop it.

Assuming someone missed the point because they have a different POV is condescending to me. Period.

I think my area may have gotten rocked in Methuen...that meaty part of that line went right through there.

What is your point? It won out quite a bit from 2009 to 2011, as well. Its mindless....if suggesting persistence, bring something to the table as to why instead of simply weening folks that are simply offering data.

Wouldn't the huge +EPO have something to do with that? I feel like that was more anomalous than the early month NAO, just like the PNA was more anomalous than the NAO last year. And yes, I am sure some of it maybe due to CC, but its more than that IMO.

Debate is one thing, just automatically being dismissive is another. Plenty of folks like @Allsnowand @bluewavethat view things differently that I have had great discussions with. But the crap being offered by this persistence crowd is another thing entirely. Someone simply mentions that the long range looks more wintery shouldn't be met with "haven't you learned anything"...that is simply close minded, incendiary crap. Now, if you want to put the breaks on and suggest that perhaps guidance may be rushing the retrograde of the Canadian ridging....then sure. Possible.

I snuck a last minute peek in

This is legit damage ongoing...you can hear it, like a tropical system.

Window just blew out in ladies room at work...very audible. WOW

I can't believe how intense this is in Chelsea.....small trees are just consistently bent...

Yea, looks like I was wrong about this one....impressive.

I mean, on paper within the proper context....I get what John meant, but read the room.

I believe it.....I'm right next door to KBOS. We were having a meeting from 10-11 and people couldn't help but notice the shrieking winds.

Pretty ferocious in Chelsea....

I don't think John meant it that way, but that is how it comes across because he was defending edugg, who was being an ass.

I'm not "missing the point"...your resorting to condescension when faced with resistance. Got it. I completely understand skepticism in the sense that long range guidance is prone to large error, so set expectations accordingly. But it needs to stop short of criticizing anyone who dares to venture towards giving a good faith effort, and anyone who sees avenues towards more wintery outcomes because it fosters a close minded approach. That is the antithesis of the type of approach that relatively poor skill at extended lead times should foster, which is an open-mind thought process. Its a weather forum...we discuss long range guidance, even it looks like it may offer wintry opportunities. That type of mindset is why we have a brigade of 5 PPD members tossing weenies at anyone who dares to mention that forbidden four letter word...sno#. I don't believe you do or endorse that, but your post inhibits efforts to reduce that within this context IMO.

I don't agree...its lazy science. I'm sorry, dude, but just because it went wrong last year isn't good enough. I have spent hours, and hours, and hours, and hours and hours learning from last season's failure and at the end of the day, I am better equipped to avoid it happening again and am very confident that it won't. If you want to take the "lets wait and see what happens" approach, sure....but the BS about ostracizing anyone that expects a pattern change because of what happened last year is just so tiresome.

You need to add a little cloud from the Grinch's tukis right into Santa's mug.

Its a shame Snowman can't reign it in and be a bit more objective because he knows his shit.

The last one was a complete joke, but this one is respectable.

They text me updates when there is an outage, Kev.

NGRID says my power is back at home...about a 90 minute outage.

Time for sit indian style on the living room floor with a bag of Doritos in nothing but your Hannah Montana skibbies.

I would give anything to count those as posts I agree on January....I don't expect a really cold month...just serviceable.

"Please be seated passengers and note the fasten seatbelt sign as we expect some turbulence dodging and weaving dog logs upon landing"....