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yes my first year viewing the perseid meteor shower (I forget which year, either 1986 or 1987) it got down close to 50 at night with clear skies and felt like early fall, zero haze too.

The urban jungle used to average lows in the upper 60s in July. Up until the 1981-2010 averages it did.

thanks Tony, out of those I think 1993, 1999, 1983, 2010 and 1991 all had at or above 30 90+ degree days, were there any others?

Risky, but you dew you

95F/65

extended GFS setting up to torch

Heavy showers organizing E PA. SPC HREF seems to have spot 7" MAX potential by Thu evening. Waiting completion of the HREF and then probably starting a thread for iso FF, detours, travel delays...sometime between 4-8P.

Yes it's really hard to do a top 5 you have to weigh them by some system (so you end up having to do math anyway haha). Basically I'm looking for years that have at least 30 90+ degree days (there's not that many of them), at least 5 95+ degree days and at least 1 100+ degree day. For JFK only 2010 makes that list. For NYC it's more than that but I'm not sure it's 5. I know for sure 2010, 1993, 1991 make this list for NYC (and maybe 1999 too?) but I don't know which others do. 1983 did not get to 100 in NYC (but 99 in September and 100 twice at JFK) I'd still put 1983 near the top for NYC because it held the 90 degree day record until 1991 and 1993. 1953 had four 100+ degree days at NYC but I don't think it had 30 90+ degree days (although it had two of our longest heatwaves ever. 1966 also had four 100+ degree days at NYC (and three in a row at JFK) but I'm not sure it had the 30 90+ degree days I'm looking for. 1955 holds the record for NYC with 16 95+ days but I'm not sure it hit 100 in 1955 at NYC. It's possible 1949 also belongs on this list with 5 99+ degree days at NYC (2 of which were 100+) and 8 100+ degree days at EWR but I don't know the number of 90+ degree days in that year.

The only thing is that woulf make us a buyer--and we aren't exactly in a position to be that for this trade deadline. Now I could see a scenario where we package some of the prospects we get this year to buy something in the off-season.

Wide view starting to see semblance of some popup storms in EPA and the clouds

there's too many summers to pick from for me to do a top 5, so I'll just list my top 5 ideal summers. 1. 2010 2. 1993 3. 1999 4. 1983 5. 1966

It would be even better to have a real summer for once. The last four were disappointing.

Depends on the metric overall summer temps (avg) , number of 90 degree days, number of 95 degree days, number of 100 degree days or higher.

NYC 95 degree or higher saeson leaders Year Rank Days >= 95 °F 1955 1 16 1988 2 14 2002 3 13 1993 3 13 1999 5 12 1953 5 12 1949 7 11 1944 7 11 1983 9 10 1980 9 10 1966 9 10 2005 12 9 1952 12 9 2010 14 8 1991 14 8

Followup: Unlike the 0Z, the 12Z UKMET has no TD.

Someone in the NYC forum said the NAM is amping up precipitation for Friday too

For NYC itself I'd say the top 5 summers for heat (ignoring sensor issues) were: 1. 2010 2. 1993 3. 1983 4. 1966 5. 1953 I really wanted to include 1991 and 1955 and 1949 and 1999, these should go in the next 5.

I mean, you have to use math formulas. Yes you can measure dew point directly but to actually measure the total heat content you have to combine that with temperature using formulas. For example: a temperature of 102 degrees with a dew point of 66 contains more heat than a temperature of 99 degrees with the same 66 dew point. BUT what about a temperature of 99 degrees with a dew point of 68? OR a temperature of 102 with a 64 dew point? Do you see what I mean-- there isn't any direct measure of heat, you must solve these using math formulas.

For the urban areas it has been the lack of 50s during July which used to be more common. For the rural spots outside the UHI areas it has been a lack of July lows in the 40s which used to occur more regularly. Since the low temperatures have been steadily warming in both parts of the region.

Yes, it's true. But temperature is what we can measure directly. You need to work with some math formulas to combine moistness with temperature to measure heat. the official NWS definition of *hot summer* ranks them by number of 90 degree highs and does not factor in moisture.

we do measure it. dewpoint, theta e, etc

Can we move that jackpot 30-40 miles east please?

a moist parcel of air contains more heat than a dry parcel of air at the same temperature. that is one of the backbones of weather as we know it

Yes it's average vs total, I care about what I can measure directly (which is temperature). Hot summers are defined by temperature (NWS criteria is number of 90 degree days.)

I was speaking for even nyc. 1980-2010 climo had avg lows in the upper 60s even in the dog days. that literally almost never happens now