2026-2027 Super El Nino

[Cobalt]

4 hours ago, mitchnick said:

It is not, nor has it ever been, on my list of life's concerns at all.

Well yeah, because you won't live to see its worst consequences. Easy to be myopic about such a thing when its worst effects are yet to be seen, and that when they do come to fruition, it'll be a different generation who bears the responsibility of cleaning up the mess. 

[roardog]

33 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

Well yeah, because you won't live to see its worst consequences. Easy to be myopic about such a thing when its worst effects are yet to be seen, and that when they do come to fruition, it'll be a different generation who bears the responsibility of cleaning up the mess. 

Isn’t that pretty much the case with everything humans do/have done?

[snowman19]

[mitchnick]

1 hour ago, Cobalt said:

Well yeah, because you won't live to see its worst consequences. Easy to be myopic about such a thing when its worst effects are yet to be seen, and that when they do come to fruition, it'll be a different generation who bears the responsibility of cleaning up the mess. 

Nope. It's called faith.

[Stormchaserchuck1]

4 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I'd be careful with the bold ...

The straight up linear correlation, sure - that's ...sort of similar to the tripole SST state, which is highly correlated to -NAOs..etc..etc..but, the causality of why that colder region is notable there is circumstantially - quite possibly - evolved for different reason..   Mimicry, in other words.   

There's is ongoing research about a recent decadal persistent "Atlantic cold blob" that is being geophysically connected to a longer term changes/flux of the AMOC ... Of course, CC and attribution science is all over that.  Some bigger media, definitely social media doomers, are pumping out warnings how that portends the end of the G-string circulation eddy et al ... reaming on people's chode hair that the new paradigm will mean a black and white noir this that and the other Michael Bay plot line surreality ...   yadda yadda.  

Who knows, but the point is, if there are kernels of truth to that whole science and/or science-narrative, on-going, then it's being caused for other reasons.

Decadal trend lines of NAO are pretty linear with what's happening. We've had pretty much 14 straight +NAO Winter's, at the height of this decadal +NAO phase. Some think it's associated with lagged +AMO. Over the next several decades the "long term cold blob" will likely be somewhere else or reverse. 

[Stormchaserchuck1]

19 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

It seems that NAO is far more malleable and influenced by the solar cycle and ENSO than the AO, so I feel strongly that the AO will be lower than the NAO this season.

That's really been a story for a long time now. 

Since 2012, Summer Arctic Summer SLP anomaly (60-90) has reversed for the following Winter almost every time! 

Gawx showing cold records consistently happening there this warm season is a strong signal for Winter -AO I believe. 

[Stormchaserchuck1]

On 7/20/2026 at 11:22 AM, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Notice 1997-1998 didn't have a big +NAO? It occurred during ascending solar, not too far removed from solar min....not to mention -QBO.

I wouldn't call it big +NAO. It looks pretty neutral as a Winter average

January the coldest month of the year was -NAO

97-98 had potential to be a good Winter imo. The N. pacific trough extending north into +EPO, further north than mean of other El Nino's, tipped that one warm. Remember the EPO is the most sensitive and volatile region for CONUS temps. For north in latitude isn't necessarily as connected to ENSO as Hadley/mid-latitude cell. 

 

[40/70 Benchmark]

5 minutes ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

I wouldn't call it big +NAO. It looks pretty neutral as a Winter average

January the coldest month of the year was -NAO

97-98 had potential to be a good Winter imo. The N. pacific trough extending north into +EPO, further north than mean of other El Nino's, tipped that one warm. Remember the EPO is the most sensitive and volatile region for CONUS temps. For north in latitude isn't necessarily as connected to ENSO as Hadley/mid-latitude cell. 

 

Agree...what I said. lol

[Stormchaserchuck1]

7 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Agree...what I said. lol

Oh I thought it was rhetorical lol

[40/70 Benchmark]

10 minutes ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Oh I thought it was rhetorical lol

Nope, literal- question mark was confusing, I guess.

My bad-

[Cobalt]

2 hours ago, roardog said:

Isn’t that pretty much the case with everything humans do/have done?

Many things but not everything. Rain acidification, poor air quality practices, ozone hole tackled as environmental issues in the 20th century because of domestic and international cooperation. Those prove as examples that run counter to the idea that finger pointing and short term thinking are all we can do when presented with anthropogenic environmental threats with long time horizons. 

[snowman19]

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Almost a guarantee that the record rise in the MEI since April continues unabated. This El Niño system is extremely well coupled, ocean-atmosphere (Bjerknes feedback). Textbook. Coupling right down to the ERWs. Feeling more and more confident that we see a +2 MEI by met fall…..