2026-2027 El Nino

[mitchnick]

52 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Right, but I think even the blizzard-zone would like to load the dice a bit more favorably with a somewhat weaker ENSO relative to that season.

Not that anyone should care what I think, I'm stillnot seeing west anomalies prevailing over forecasts periods thru June. Gfs and Cfs are now both showing (I understand the relationship between the models) and easterly anomaly over the next week that has intensified over the past few days as reflected on the 2 attachments. That should knock 3.4 temps down a bit again. Again, I'm not saying a mod or strong Niño isn't possible, but more that the Niña continues to put up a decent fight.

[GaWx]

Cansips SON fwiw Modoki ~+2 in 3.4 (ONI), implying RONI ~~+1.5, with a peak ~+1.7 RONI in winter:

[mitchnick]

10 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Cansips SON fwiw Modoki ~+2 in 3.4 (ONI), implying RONI ~~+1.5, with a peak ~+1.7 RONI in winter:

I'd roll the dice with that.

[brooklynwx99]

hey, give me a loaded STJ and temps that aren't an abject torch and I'd like to see what happens now that we're in a paradigm of blockier winters. 2023-24 was cursed and I think people are scared about an outcome like that. I find it unlikely, there are much better analogs

[MJO812]

11 minutes ago, brooklynwx99 said:

hey, give me a loaded STJ and temps that aren't an abject torch and I'd like to see what happens now that we're in a paradigm of blockier winters. 2023-24 was cursed and I think people are scared about an outcome like that. I find it unlikely, there are much better analogs

Agree

I loved the cold this past winter but its not common.  Give me alot of snow to rain or rain to snow events.  The normal here. 

[bluewave]

3 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Winter is going to be mild...let's get that out of the way....but at least a basin-wide deal like 2015 allowed for a couple of wintry intervals, and maybe if it's a somewhat weaker version we can get away with a bit more. That's all I mean when I say "weaker"...I'm not trying to be one of those social medaiologists that are getting roasted by snowman on twitter.

Once we get near or above  +2.0° on ONI with near a 28.5C Nino 3.4 SST, a warmer winter pretty much becomes baked in since the early 1980s. Snowfall is highly dependent on whether we get decent blocking or not.

1982-1983 was one of the milder winters of that era but we had the great February 1983 snowstorm with the blocking.

The 1997-1998 was one of the warmest 1990s winters and we couldn’t really get decently positioned blocking. So the snowfall was disappointing as the Nino ridge build into the Northeast.

Fast forward to 2015-2016 and the record MJO 5 for such a strong El Niño produced the ridiculous +13.3 December which was warmer than most Novembers in the Northeast. But once we got into January and February we got the historic NYC snowstorm and a nice follow up event a few weeks later. Also the first below 0° reading in NYC on Valentine’s Day since 1994.

The Nino ridge near the Great Lakes during 2023-2024 was so overpowering that it was one of the warmest and least snowy winters on record for many. The one bright spot in February was the narrow band in NJ with the record STJ streak but it was part of a one week pattern which quickly shifted. 

 

[40/70 Benchmark]

1 hour ago, GaWx said:

Cansips SON fwiw Modoki ~+2 in 3.4 (ONI), implying RONI ~~+1.5, with a peak ~+1.7 RONI in winter:

[Yanksfan]

1 hour ago, GaWx said:

Cansips SON fwiw Modoki ~+2 in 3.4 (ONI), implying RONI ~~+1.5, with a peak ~+1.7 RONI in winter:

That screams a Miller A pattern with the gulf open for business.☃️