snowman19 Posted yesterday at 12:11 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:11 PM 15 minutes ago, bluewave said: We are currently on track for a very strong event potentially recording an ONI of +2.0 or greater like we recently experienced in 23-24 based on current OHC and WWB intensity unless it’s interrupted by EWBs next few months. The biggest factor will be getting the WWBs to continue through June in order for the subsurface El Niño signal to become fully established at the surface. We can remember the strong EWB in June 2014 which halted the El Niño development when the models had been forecasting +2.0 for 2014-2015. It’s funny how we eventually got the super El Niño a year later. So it was delayed but not denied. That was the last time that the models forecast a +2.0 event that didn’t verify. So unless this process gets derailed by EWBs next few months, there won’t be anything to slow the development going forward. We will need about 3 more months of observations to know if this one can reach its top potential. https://news.yale.edu/2016/02/08/new-insights-stalled-el-ni-o-2014 Yea, the only El Niño in the last 45+ years even remotely comparable to this one is 1997-98. Even the 1982-83 and 2015-16 Nino’s weren’t this far advanced in March. If those twin TC’s verify next week, and that’s starting to look likely, IMO, this is a “high-end” strong El Niño at minimum with prospects for a super event going up a lot….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 23 hours ago Author Share Posted 23 hours ago This is interesting.. this is March before a later in the year El Nino. Nice south-based +PDO orientation in the N. Pacific. Nino 4 also starts warming early, which we are seeing now Could be basin-wide 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 22 hours ago Author Share Posted 22 hours ago Let's see how this plays out. Imo, it's amping Nino 3/3.4 vs the far east 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago The Stormsurf link that I included in my post the other day has just added CFS2 Relative Nino plumes to its links, both raw and bias corrected. They are a little past half way down. Updated daily, they'll at least give us trends, which should make for a nice roller coaster ride over the next 9 or 10 months. Lol https://www.stormsurf.com/page2/links/ensocurr.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago On 3/27/2026 at 9:57 AM, 40/70 Benchmark said: I thought I recall you posting something to the effect of a "typical front-loaded La Nina winter"? Perhaps I'm mistaken. Yea, I mixed up February and March, but other than that...one of my better efforts in the aggregate. This wasn't a typical la nina at all, but when looking at the season as a whole, it definitely was front-mid loaded here. It was great to have plenty of snow/snowcover right at kickoff during the coldest, darkest days. But I could've used one more snowstorm in late Feb/Mar, sun angle be damned. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago On 3/27/2026 at 9:38 AM, Stormchaserchuck1 said: I know, I'm not looking forward to the 1,000 posts about how "everything's warming in this new climate" Neither am I. And after 2 cold winters (even though the cold surely would've been colder if this was 15+ years ago) its bound to be at a fever pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago On 3/27/2026 at 8:43 AM, GaWx said: This summer forecast is from pro-met Travis Hartman of Vaisala Xweather. I received this yesterday free of charge as I’m not a paying client. “What kind of summer are we walking into? For 2026, the early answer is: another warmer-than-normal season in the US and Europe with important regional caveats. Ocean signals point to warmth A major driver of the expected heat is the ocean. Global sea surface temperatures remain historically warm, and the North Atlantic is firmly in its positive multidecadal phase, also known as warmer-than-average Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (+AMO). In plain terms, the Atlantic has been running hot for decades, and warm oceans amplify heat on land. A warmer Atlantic tends to pump up the Bermuda High, helping lock in warmer conditions across the Eastern US. Enter El Niño—but with nuance Models suggest that El Niño will develop through the summer. Historically, El Niño can take some of the edge off the heat in the Midwest and East by shifting the jet stream. But whether that cooling influence is realized depends on an unlikely character: West Pacific typhoons. Their recurving paths can tug on the jet stream in ways that promote cooler conditions across the US. Fewer typhoons, on the other hand, leave the hotter background state unchallenged. And recent decades have seen a trend toward fewer summer typhoons overall. So, what does this mean for 2026? The forecast calls for summer 2026 to rank as the 11th-hottest since 1950, with the strongest confidence in significant heat across the West and South. The Midwest and East are the wild cards—torn between ocean-driven warmth and the possibility (but not the guarantee) of El Niño-related moderation.” Interesting. He says another warm summer but then explicitly predicts the 2nd coldest summer since 2019, and only slightly warmer than 2023. Especially if the heat is out west as he suggests, I think most people will consider that to be one of the coldest summers in recent memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 19 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Interesting. He says another warm summer but then explicitly predicts the 2nd coldest summer since 2019, and only slightly warmer than 2023. Especially if the heat is out west as he suggests, I think most people will consider that to be one of the coldest summers in recent memory. They forecast based on population weighted because their forecasts are for the purpose of forecasting AC usage as opposed to what you look at, which isn’t pop weighted. Does that relate to your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 hours ago, GaWx said: They forecast based on population weighted because their forecasts are for the purpose of forecasting AC usage as opposed to what you look at, which isn’t pop weighted. Does that relate to your post? No, I just meant they are forecasting it as 11th warmest since 1950. I wouldn’t call that “another warm” summer. That’s colder than 5 of the last 6 summers, so I think most here would consider that to be a pretty cool summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 23 hours ago, snowman19 said: Yea, the only El Niño in the last 45+ years even remotely comparable to this one is 1997-98. Even the 1982-83 and 2015-16 Nino’s weren’t this far advanced in March. If those twin TC’s verify next week, and that’s starting to look likely, IMO, this is a “high-end” strong El Niño at minimum with prospects for a super event going up a lot….. There also seems to be a type of underlying pattern with pairs of winters sharing similar overlapping locations of where their primary ridge and trough locations are found. We can take this back to at least the 09-10 to 10-11 winters. Same story for the 2020s so far. So in a very general sense perhaps the next few winters will find a way to share this similarity also. Obviously, this is all in hindsight and we will need to see how things evolve heading into next winter and beyond. It’s interesting that the models are indicating a potentially robust El Niño development in 26-27 following two winters with strong blocking across the North Pacific into Western North America like we saw following 13-14 and 14-15. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago The big WWB has begun to show up on visible satellite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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