August 2025 Discussion-OBS - cooler than normal first week but a big comeback to warmer than normal for the last 2-3 weeks

[LibertyBell]

On 8/2/2025 at 10:40 AM, SACRUS said:

2002 was hotter than 1983 for the areas despite not reaching 100.  Plenty of 97,98, 99's for the city and elsewhere.  A degree.

That was one of my top summers too however not as many 90 degree days as 1983.

1983, 2002, 2010 are my top 90 degree day summers (the only ones with 20 or more 90 degree days).

 

[LibertyBell]

21 hours ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, we would get smaller Canadian wildfires back in those days. We even had smoke in the late 80s from wildfires in the Appalachians.

But the Canadian wildfires have been at record levels since 2023. June 6-8, 2023 was a first for our area having such thick smoke. A recent study found that the smoke dropped our temperatures by 5°F.

https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/worst-air-quality-world-wildfire-smog-smothers-new-york

The Wednesday morning air quality was bad. The day began in the “red” with AQIs in the 151-200 range. An AQI in that range has only occurred a handful of times in the last few decades in the city. Still, New Yorkers tried to continue with their daily routine activities. By late Wednesday morning, the grey blob as seen from the ABI visible band on GOES satellite, showed the highest concentration of smoke flowing across Lake Ontario, Upstate New York and into the City region. Shortly after, the skies went dark over the city by 2pm, and air quality continued to worsen through the evening.

The AQI was above 480 on Wednesday evening in NYC, technically off the chart. NYC’s air quality was quickly compared to large cities in India and China known for their chronic pollution. At that point, New York City had the worst air quality in the world. The pollution was bad enough to cancel outdoor after-school activities for the 1.1 million students in the largest public school system in the country, and prompt a shift to remote learning for the following days.

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asl.1306?af=R#:~:text=During the fire season of,(NYC) and its surroundings.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-025-02214-3

 

why doesn't Canada do something about it-- be proactive and clear out some of these forests.

I see in the US we're now replacing highly flammable trees with less flammable ones.

 

[LibertyBell]

14 hours ago, Sundog said:

There's no managing the vast wilderness that are the Canadian boreal forests. 

They are not only massive but basically depopulated of people. 

tree replacement with less flammable ones is necessary.

you can manage any forest with enough effort, look at how the farmers are burning down the Amazon and thats much larger than anything Canada has.

 

[LibertyBell]

12 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

cool map, I didn't feel anything here

Do you have one of these for the April 2024 and even the August 2011 earthquakes?

When are we going to start naming these? I would name anything that was 4.0 and higher.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, bluewave said:

This is going to be the best August weather we have seen in years. Very impressive Canadian high pressure will dominate. The easterly flow will keep the temperatures comfortable for this time of year with a break in the record heat that we experienced from late June through July. The high pressure will keep most of the rain to our south. 
 

 

this is basically a polar high bringing in cool Canadian air?

the problem is it will also bring in the smoke from the north

 

[Sundog]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

tree replacement with less flammable ones is necessary.

you can manage any forest with enough effort, look at how the farmers are burning down the Amazon and thats much larger than anything Canada has.

 

Bro this cannot be fixed by forest management. The forest doesn't need managing in the middle of nowhere. 

What did forests do before people showed up? 

The only managing that should be done is near homes and power lines. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, SACRUS said:

 

Expanded data back to 2010 - looks like Mon, Tue then 8/10 and beyond could add to those - no strong heat (95+) but do see plenty of 88 - 91 days through the 13/14th before perhaps more sustained warmth / heat towards the middle , second half of august.  EWR can get there with a N/NNE/E with right amount of sun.

 

Tony, how many did the mighty 1993 have?

 

[STORMANLI]

2 hours ago, psv88 said:

59 last night. New location doesn’t radiate well at all. Not sure why that is. Maybe being on top of a hill?

Probably.

55° down here.

Last 2 mornings great viewing of Venus and Jupiter as they are now at 9 degrees apart as they head toward their closest conjunction on the 12th when they will be < 1 degree apart.

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Bro this cannot be fixed by forest management. The forest doesn't need managing in the middle of nowhere. 

What did forests do before people showed up? 

The only managing that should be done is near homes and power lines. 

I think someone earlier said that many of these fires are human caused.

I mean they are in terms of climate change, but I think he was talking about people intentionally setting fires.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, STORMANLI said:

Probably.

55° down here.

Last 2 mornings great viewing of Venus and Jupiter as they are now at 9 degrees apart as they head toward their closest conjunction on the 12th when they will be < 1 degree apart.

I wish this weather would last through the Perseid meteor shower, moon or no moon (there was a beautiful half moon last night).

[Sundog]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

I think someone earlier said that many of these fires are human caused.

I mean they are in terms of climate change, but I think he was talking about people intentionally setting fires.

 

I don't think anyone is setting fires on purpose in the middle of nowhere of central Canada. 

There are definitely fires set on purpose or through negligence obviously, I just don't think this is the case. 

Isn't it just lightning igniting the fires?

[qg_omega]

27 minutes ago, bluewave said:

I was talking about this early part of the month right in front of us. It will get warmer again once the big high pressure shifts off the east coast in mid-August. So my guess is that August will finish with above average temperatures. But probably not the kind of heat like we had in July where the whole month averaged 80°+ like many stations did in July. 

Near

 

 

[qg_omega]

[forkyfork]

90 tomorrow?

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I don't think anyone is setting fires on purpose in the middle of nowhere of central Canada. 

There are definitely fires set on purpose or through negligence obviously, I just don't think this is the case. 

Isn't it just lightning igniting the fires?

Probably.  I think the intentional or accidental human fire starting happens in California more than it does in Canada.  Remember the Camp Fire-- I think that one happened because someone shot off fireworks during a gender reveal party.

Why do we even need gender reveal parties? Male/Female big deal.....

 

[SACRUS]

26 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

That was one of my top summers too however not as many 90 degree days as 1983.

1983, 2002, 2010 are my top 90 degree day summers (the only ones with 20 or more 90 degree days).

 

For strong heat (95+) 2002 was tied (edit thought it was 6 in 83)

 

JFK - assume we are talking about JFK

 

Year	Rank	Days >= 95 °F
2010	1	10
1963	2	8
2002	3	7
1999	3	7
1983	3	7
2013	6	6
1949	6	6
2012	8	5
1966	8	5
1955	8	5
2022	11	4
2006	11	4
1993	11	4

[SACRUS]

5 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

90 tomorrow?

Looks possible in EWR/ NJ  - away from the coast.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

For strong heat (95+) 2002 was tied (edit thought it was 6 in 83)

 

JFK - assume we are talking about JFK

 

Year	Rank	Days >= 95 °F
2010	1	10
1963	2	8
2002	3	7
1999	3	7
1983	3	7
2013	6	6
1949	6	6
2012	8	5
1966	8	5
1955	8	5
2022	11	4
2006	11	4
1993	11	4

I'm shocked that 1963 is number two, that didn't even register to me as a hot summer, were there any 100 degree days that year Tony?

 

[winterwarlock]

more smoke to ruin the elusive deep blue skies

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

For strong heat (95+) 2002 was tied (edit thought it was 6 in 83)

 

JFK - assume we are talking about JFK

 

Year	Rank	Days >= 95 °F
2010	1	10
1963	2	8
2002	3	7
1999	3	7
1983	3	7
2013	6	6
1949	6	6
2012	8	5
1966	8	5
1955	8	5
2022	11	4
2006	11	4
1993	11	4

the 4 in 1993 I think all happened in a row (two in a row of 100+ too).

 

[SACRUS]

 

81 / 51 a true gem today

[gravitylover]

28 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

this is basically a polar high bringing in cool Canadian air?

the problem is it will also bring in the smoke from the north

 

Plenty of smoke here 

18 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I don't think anyone is setting fires on purpose in the middle of nowhere of central Canada. 

There are definitely fires set on purpose or through negligence obviously, I just don't think this is the case. 

Isn't it just lightning igniting the fires?

Some of these fires have been burning for a few years now. 

[SACRUS]

10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I'm shocked that 1963 is number two, that didn't even register to me as a hot summer, were there any 100 degree days that year Tony?

 

Yes 102 Jul 1, 1963 in JFK

[SACRUS]

 

 

Haze  / smoke cleared from here, but more wrapping around the NNE transport

 

[donsutherland1]

12 minutes ago, winterwarlock said:

more smoke to ruin the elusive deep blue skies

Still deep blue skies in southern Westchester County. That will likely change this afternoon.

[SACRUS]

 

JFK 1963 heat late June / July 

 

June 23	89	60	0.00	0.0
June 24	89	63	0.00	0.0
June 25	94	68	0.00	0.0
June 26	96	70	0.00	0.0
June 27	98	70	0.00	0.0
June 28	95	73	0.00	0.0
June 29	82	70	0.01	0.0
June 30	86	70	0.00	0.0

July 1963 JFK Airport Weather

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
July 1	102	71	0.00	0.0
July 2	93	72	0.00	0.0
July 3	89	63	0.00	0.0
July 4	83	62	0.00	0.0
July 5	89	63	0.00	0.0
July 6	83	62	0.00	0.0
July 7	79	62	0.04	0.0
July 8	75	62	0.26	0.0
July 9	79	55	0.00	0.0
July 10	79	58	0.00	0.0
July 11	83	63	0.00	0.0
July 12	84	62	0.00	0.0
July 13	78	59	0.02	0.0
July 14	73	63	0.26	0.0
July 15	86	67	0.00	0.0
July 16	86	67	0.00	0.0
July 17	92	70	0.00	0.0
July 18	89	72	0.00	0.0
July 19	97	70	0.13	0.0
July 20	81	65	1.07	0.0
July 21	82	66	0.08	0.0
July 22	75	66	0.00	0.0
July 23	77	65	0.00	0.0
July 24	85	66	0.00	0.0
July 25	85	68	0.00	0.0
July 26	90	70	0.00	0.0
July 27	97	71	0.00	0.0
July 28	95	73	0.07	0.0
July 29	95	73	0.02	0.0
July 30	89	71	0.86	0.0
July 31	81	62	0.00	0.0

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

Yes 102 Jul 1, 1963 in JFK

The earliest one on record until 2025.....

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

JFK 1963 heat late June / July 

 

June 23	89	60	0.00	0.0
June 24	89	63	0.00	0.0
June 25	94	68	0.00	0.0
June 26	96	70	0.00	0.0
June 27	98	70	0.00	0.0
June 28	95	73	0.00	0.0
June 29	82	70	0.01	0.0
June 30	86	70	0.00	0.0

July 1963 JFK Airport Weather

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
July 1	102	71	0.00	0.0
July 2	93	72	0.00	0.0
July 3	89	63	0.00	0.0
July 4	83	62	0.00	0.0
July 5	89	63	0.00	0.0
July 6	83	62	0.00	0.0
July 7	79	62	0.04	0.0
July 8	75	62	0.26	0.0
July 9	79	55	0.00	0.0
July 10	79	58	0.00	0.0
July 11	83	63	0.00	0.0
July 12	84	62	0.00	0.0
July 13	78	59	0.02	0.0
July 14	73	63	0.26	0.0
July 15	86	67	0.00	0.0
July 16	86	67	0.00	0.0
July 17	92	70	0.00	0.0
July 18	89	72	0.00	0.0
July 19	97	70	0.13	0.0
July 20	81	65	1.07	0.0
July 21	82	66	0.08	0.0
July 22	75	66	0.00	0.0
July 23	77	65	0.00	0.0
July 24	85	66	0.00	0.0
July 25	85	68	0.00	0.0
July 26	90	70	0.00	0.0
July 27	97	71	0.00	0.0
July 28	95	73	0.07	0.0
July 29	95	73	0.02	0.0
July 30	89	71	0.86	0.0
July 31	81	62	0.00	0.0

None in August, Tony?

 

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Still deep blue skies in southern Westchester County. That will likely change this afternoon.

a lovely vision Don, do you have your own boat?

 

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

Plenty of smoke here 

Some of these fires have been burning for a few years now. 

Yep, I don't think they even stopped during the winter.

Is there a multiyear drought going on in Canada?