June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[Brian5671]

2 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

The lack of storms this year around here has been the biggest surprise. It seems like heat waves always used to end with a widespread severe event or at least some decent storms 

the fronts have been more of the back door variety which tend to come through dry...although there were big storms yesterday where it stalled out over DE/SNJ/E PA

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

So we should abandon cities and destroy rural areas and turn them into endless suburbs. 
The reality from the perspective of the planet is the EXACT OPPOSITE. We want more people in tightly packed cities and less McMansions on quarter acre lots. Upstate NY reforesting over the last century is a great example of what we want to see. 

In a word YES, and no we don't want tightly packed cities or McMansions (whatever that is).  Tightly packed cities are not healthy and you know what else isn't healthy?  8 billion people on the planet. So not tightly packed cities or endless suburbs, what we actually need (and what will happen) is a population crash.

I've been in some tightly packed cities in Asia and trust me you want no part of THAT

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

The lack of storms this year around here has been the biggest surprise. It seems like heat waves always used to end with a widespread severe event or at least some decent storms 

our severe season is typically in August and beyond with warmer SST, June heatwaves typically end with backdoor fronts, we saw this in 1988 and 1994 too.

 

[LibertyBell]

38 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Are almost all of these fake midnight highs?

fake 1 am highs with daylight time lmao

you know when the *day* should begin? at sunrise....

[LibertyBell]

54 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

Records:
 

Highs:

EWR: 101 (1966)
NYC: 101 (1966)
LGA: 97 (2003)
JFK: 98 (1963)


Lows:

EWR: 52 (1940)
NYC: 55 (1940)
LGA: 56 (1972)
JFK: 54 (1965)

HIstorical:

 

 

 

1881: Intense downpour of 2.34 inches in Washington, DC. was recorded in 37 minutes.
 

1901 - There was a rain of fish from the sky at Tiller's Ferry. Hundreds of fish were swimming between cotton rows after a heavy shower. (David Ludlum)

1915 - The temperature at Fort Yukon AK soared to 100 degrees to establish a state record. (The Weather Channel)

 

1923" Boston, Massachusetts recorded its lowest pressure 29.26 inches of mercury for the month of June. (Ref. NOAA Boston Weather Events)

1957 - Hurricane Audrey smashed ashore at Cameron, LA, drowning 390 persons in the storm tide, and causing 150 million dollars damage in Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi. Audrey left only a brick courthouse and a cement-block icehouse standing at Cameron, and when the waters settled in the town of Crede, only four buildings remained. The powerful winds of Audrey tossed a fishing boat weighing 78 tons onto an off-shore drilling platform. Winds along the coast gusted to 105 mph, and oil rigs off the Louisiana coast reported wind gusts to 180 mph. A storm surge greater than twelve feet inundated the Louisiana coast as much as 25 miles inland. It was the deadliest June hurricane of record for the U.S. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel)

1978: Worst thunderstorm in 20 years wind gust greater than 70 mph in the Washington, DC. with over 1000 trees down in DC. and 100,000 homes with no power. (The Washington Post)

1987 - Thunderstorms moving out of Nebraska produced severe weather in north central Kansas after midnight. Thunderstorm winds gusting to 100 mph damaged more than fifty camping trailers at the state park campground at Lake Waconda injuring sixteen persons. Thunderstorm winds gusted to 80 mph at Beloit and Sylvan Grove. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - The afternoon high of 107 degrees at Bismarck, ND, was a record for the month of June, and Pensacola, FL, equalled their June record with a reading of 101 degrees. Temperatures in the Great Lakes Region and the Ohio Valley dipped into the 40s. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from the Ohio Valley to western New England. Thunderstorm spawned six tornadoes, and there were 98 reports of large hail and damaging winds. Tropical Storm Allison spawned six tornadoes in Louisiana, injuring two persons at Hackberry. Fort Polk LA was drenched with 10.09 inches of rain in 36 hours, and 12.87 inches was reported at the Gorum Fire Tower in northern Louisiana. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

 

1992: A severe thunderstorm dropped hail to golf ball size near the top of WA’s Sherman Pass; accumulations to 8 inches. 2 motorcyclists were injured in separate accidents due to the hail-clogged highway. Several cars slid into ditches. (Ref. Weather Guide Calendar with Phenomenal Weather Events 2011 Accord Pub. 2010, USA)

1994: Waste Isolation. Pilot Plant, New Mexico: High temperatures in the Southwest as New Mexico sets its hottest temperature ever: 122°F the state record.All-time record temperatures for the state tied at Tipton, Oklahoma: 120°F.
 

1995: The Madison County Flood on June 27, 1995, was the worst flash floods Virginia had seen since the remnants of Camille dropped up to 30 inches of rain one night in Nelson County in August 1969. The Nelson County flood ranked as one of the nation's worst flash floods of this century and resulted in the deaths of 117 people. The Madison County flood killed one person.

Records:
 

Highs:

EWR: 101 (1966)
NYC: 101 (1966)
LGA: 97 (2003)
JFK: 98 (1963)

it's truly amazing how hot 1966 was, this was just the first of THREE TRIPLE DIGIT HEATWAVES !!!

[LibertyBell]

59 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Your article from which these pics came from has a line that supports my position:

"In Wales, a 10-year study looking at the presence of anxiety and depression in 2.3 million medical records, found that the greenest home surroundings were associated with 40% less anxiety and depression than those living in the least green areas." 

We aren't meant to live piled up on top of one another. 

exactly, the whole idea of cities came from greedy oligarchs, pen the *unwashed* into tiny cramped kennels like animals (who also should not be housed that way.)

Humans should live as close to nature as possible.

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

What sucks is living on top each other is not healthy. People underestimate the psychological damage constant noise does to a human for example. 

Air pollution will be worse no matter how "clean" a city gets compared to suburbs/rural. 

For people, I think overall it's much better to live on that half acre lot than living like an ant colony. 

For the planet obviously it's better if people concentrated in as few urban centers as possible and left everything around alone. 

If you want whats healthy and better for the planet (and for us) it's to have way fewer people on it. You want no part of densely packed urban centers either, especially not the kinds I saw in Asia.

For mental and physical health it's good to be closer to nature to smell flowers and trees during the day and to actually see the stars at night, I see this myself when I go to the Poconos vs living near the city.  And I get a full night of deep sleep 8 hours there which I never get here.  Sleep's importance for all types of health is extremely understated.  AND DID YOU KNOW LIGHT POLLUTION INCREASES THE RISKS OF CANCER 30-50% (per a Harvard study.)  It's good that we're greening the city up with urban farms, but at some point if we don't control our population ourselves, nature will do it for us and in some very unpleasant ways.  Can't beat the math.

 

[MJO812]

Nice Autumn day 

[MJO812]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

If you want whats healthy and better for the planet (and for us) it's to have way fewer people on it. You want no part of densely packed urban centers either, especially not the kinds I saw in Asia.

For mental and physical health it's good to be closer to nature to smell flowers and trees during the day and to actually see the stars at night, I see this myself when I go to the Poconos vs living near the city.  It's good that we're greening the city up with urban farms, but at some point if we don't control our population ourselves, nature will do it for us and in some very unpleasant ways.  Can't beat the math.

 

We need the UHI to go away. Make winters great again.

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

Yeah in 1948, concrete and asphalt wasn’t invented yet and NYC was nothing but rounded up prairie schooner wagons and teepees sprawled across all the open fields…c’mon man!

61 here this morning with .05 overnight, cooler than recent mornings. I love me some hoodie season…..this ain’t it. 

lol well I guess we did have some things.... especially considering nukes had already been created.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Nice Autumn day 

This really is a nice day, I finally turned my a/c off this morning.  That's how long it took to get all the heat out of my house.

[Stormlover74]

16 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

our severe season is typically in August and beyond with warmer SST, June heatwaves typically end with backdoor fronts, we saw this in 1988 and 1994 too.

 

1994 had en epic storm around June 30th. One of the best I've ever seen

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, Stormlover74 said:

1994 had en epic storm on June 30th. One of the best I've ever seen

Damn I don't remember it but it probably helps it was on the last day of the month.  The SST must've been over 70 by then 1994 heat was the hottest June weather I've ever seen (until this year that is.)

[SACRUS]

 

[LibertyBell]

9 hours ago, Wxoutlooksblog said:

My 5th floor apartment in Douglaston facing west with open sky got so hot with the westward facing wall of the building and now an easterly wind I am running my a/c full blast to try to fully get the heat out. I ran it all night last night and probably will need to run it over night another night to finally get it comfortably cool. Then it warms up with plenty of humidity on Saturday. Unless we sneak a 90 in on Saturday, Sunday, Monday or Tuesday (and it's unlikely since winds will be out of the s-sw) I do not think we see another 90+ day in NYC until the second or more likely the third week of July.

WX/PT

Same here, my walls were so hot I almost burned my hands touching them, I had to run the a/c all night to fully get all the heat out and turned it off when I woke up at 7 am this morning

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, bluewave said:

Continuation of the same pattern into late June. Another weekend with chances for rain but no washout. Saturday looks like the best chance for scattered convection. Drier on Sunday. Then mid 90s on Monday just inland from sea breeze front west of NYC. 

 

I don't know what a *washout* means (and why do tv mets use this word so much?) but to me a few hours of rain and cloudy all day is a washout.  Sunday is much better with no rain and some sunshine.

 

[SACRUS]

 

[Stormlover74]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Damn I don't remember it but it probably helps it was on the last day of the month.  The SST must've been over 70 by then 1994 heat was the hottest June weather I've ever seen (until this year that is.)

It hit here around midday. I was at work and couldn't believe how dark it got. My brother recorded it so its on vhs tape somewhere 

[forkyfork]

9 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

1994 had en epic storm around June 30th. One of the best I've ever seen

did it have a dark blue shelf cloud

[Stormlover74]

It was the 29th. Look at that line. You can see it blow up over eastern union cty where I was at the time

 

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, Stormlover74 said:

It was the 29th. Look at that line 

 

 

Was that the same year we had a big hailstorm in July?  in 1994 I went overseas near the end of June and didn't come back until August, but when I came back I remember reading newspaper reports about a big damaging hailstorm that hit the south shore of Nassau county and destroyed a bunch of cars outside a car dealership.  At least I think that was the year.  But the reports stated hailstones up to 5 inches in size, which I don't think is possible here.  Still, I was sad that I missed it.

Maybe it happened during this late June storm, although from what I read, I thought it was in July.

[LibertyBell]

15 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Damn I don't remember it but it probably helps it was on the last day of the month.  The SST must've been over 70 by then 1994 heat was the hottest June weather I've ever seen (until this year that is.)

I don't remember it because I was out of the country when it happened lol.  I left on a flight the day after the peak of the heat in 1994, I remember it hit 98 and I was gone the next day, wondering if I was going to miss 100 degree heat.  When I came back I found out it didn't hit 100 here while I was away lol.  So 1994 didn't measure up to the greatness of 1993 (which gave me a sense of relief.)

 

[Stormlover74]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Was that the same year we had a big hailstorm in July?  in 1994 I went overseas near the end of June and didn't come back until August, but when I came back I remember reading newspaper reports about a big damaging hailstorm that hit the south shore of Nassau county and destroyed a bunch of cars outside a car dealership.  At least I think that was the year.  But the reports stated hailstones up to 5 inches in size, which I don't think is possible here.  Still, I was sad that I missed it.

Maybe it happened during this late June storm, although from what I read, I thought it was in July.

I dont remember hail with that one so it could've been July 

[forkyfork]

11 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

It was the 29th. Look at that line. You can see it blow up over eastern union cty where I was at the time

 

 

i grew up in bayonne and a huge storm in the early/mid 90s is what got me into wx. it might be this one

[SACRUS]

3 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

i grew up in bayonne and a huge storm in the early/mid 90s is what got me into wx. it might be this one

2.05 inches of rain between the 29- 30 , 1994 at EWR

[Brian5671]

Some hazy sun here as partial clearing works in from the Northeast

[Stormlover74]

22 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

i grew up in bayonne and a huge storm in the early/mid 90s is what got me into wx. it might be this one

There was the other big one in July of 97. Had 70+ mph winds across north and central nj

[LibertyBell]

11 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

There was the other big one in July of 97. Had 70+ mph winds across north and central nj

Damn I was gone that summer too.  I stayed for all the really hot summers (1991, 1993, 1995, 1999, 2002).

I was also here for the rainy summers of 1992 and 1996=\

Not here in July and August in 1990, 1994, 1997, 1998.

 

 

[forkyfork]

13 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

There was the other big one in July of 97. Had 70+ mph winds across north and central nj

i remember tracking that on twc and thinking it would miss and then it curved right into us

[LibertyBell]

37 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

i grew up in bayonne and a huge storm in the early/mid 90s is what got me into wx. it might be this one

I remember a really big one in June in 1995 that might have been it.  Happened at night and we had small hail and very heavy rain.