June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Although EWR has in 2022 most recently if you are going by 90 degree days.

 

look at the record cool in the 50s

 

Lows:

EWR: 49 (1950)
NYC: 48 (1950)
LGA: 49 (1950)
JFK: 53 (1959)
 

Yes Newark being inland has seen a rise in 90 degree days but not 95 or 100 degree days.  So the wetter climate has been tempering their extreme heat too.

But 1950 wasn't one of those hotter years like 1944, 1948, 1949, 1953, 1955.  But I agree about mins, they are definitely elevated compared to the previous era.

[anthonymm]

The park may never see 100 F again. CC has made us way too humid for that. Our new summer norms are upper 80s/low 90s for highs and mid 70s for lows with insufferable dews. Enjoy.

[LibertyBell]

16 hours ago, Sundog said:

Climate variation. 

The cool down in the 60s 70s and 80s is almost certainly due to massive global aerosol production from industry and transportation. 

It was capping the effects of global warming. 

Looking at pictures from the 1930s-1950s era, I think that was a much drier era with much less foliage in our parks, which explains the more extreme heat of that era.

 

[LibertyBell]

15 hours ago, Sundog said:

Yes haha

But 90s is nothing we've haven't seen day in and day out around here. 

The Euro runs of yesterday showing close to 110F heat were terrifying. 

95 with a dew point of 78 is MUCH worse (and much more boring) than 101 degrees and a dew point of 45 or even 55.

[TheClimateChanger]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

Looking at pictures from the 1930s-1950s era, I think that was a much drier era with much less foliage in our parks, which explains the more extreme heat of that era.

 

Yeah, I think there was a lot of deforestation in that era. Looking at old pictures of the city, and there is not a tree to be found. Whole hillsides just stripped barren. Must have been a lot of landslides and flash floods.

[LibertyBell]

14 hours ago, Sundog said:

It sure does. 

You can be surrounded by trees too.

I bet it feels really different though if you stand UNDERNEATH one instead of NEXT to one, right?

Don't be a ball buster lol

One can argue that trees are part of our natural environment, while concrete is not.

[SACRUS]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes Newark being inland has seen a rise in 90 degree days but not 95 or 100 degree days.  So the wetter climate has been tempering their extreme heat too.

But 1950 wasn't one of those hotter years like 1944, 1948, 1949, 1953, 1955.  But I agree about mins, they are definitely elevated compared to the previous era.

 

EWR top 95 + days were more recent than the 40s or 50s, top 5 includes 2021 and 2022.  You listed 5 years out of 20 that had record heat you can say the same between 2000 - 2020 / 2010 - 2024

 

1993	1	25
2010	2	21
2022	3	20
1988	3	20
1944	3	20
2021	6	18
2012	7	17
2011	7	17
2002	7	17
1955	7	17
1949	11	16
2005	12	14

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, anthonymm said:

The park may never see 100 F again. CC has made us way too humid for that. Our new summer norms are upper 80s/low 90s for highs and mid 70s for lows with insufferable dews. Enjoy.

Yes indeed.... did you see Miami's historical record? I was shocked they only hit 100 in their entire recorded history and that was back in 1942.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

EWR top 95 + days were more recent than the 40s or 50s, top 5 includes 2021 and 2022.  You listed 5 years out of 20 that had record heat you can say the same between 2000 - 2020 / 2010 - 2024

 

1993	1	25
2010	2	21
2022	3	20
1988	3	20
1944	3	20
2021	6	18
2012	7	17
2011	7	17
2002	7	17
1955	7	17
1949	11	16
2005	12	14

it matches the 5 years in the 1991-2002 period Tony, of which 1993 is at the top.  1993 and 2010 being at the top doesn't surprise me, since they were also two of our driest years.  2022 did well to come in third place, matching 1944 and 1988.

 

[SACRUS]

5 minutes ago, anthonymm said:

The park may never see 100 F again. CC has made us way too humid for that. Our new summer norms are upper 80s/low 90s for highs and mid 70s for lows with insufferable dews. Enjoy.

 

Highest recent 98 in 2021, 97 in 2022 at the park. 100 in 2012.  

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Yeah, I think there was a lot of deforestation in that era. Looking at old pictures of the city, and there is not a tree to be found. Whole hillsides just stripped barren. Must have been a lot of landslides and flash floods.

It rained less back then, I think there were less trees because it was a drier era.  Look at NYC's rainfall total from 1966, which was one of only two years in which NYC had 4 100+ days (the other was 1953-- in the same era)  In 1966, NYC only had 26 inches of rain, nowadays we get that in a few months lol. LGA hit 107 in 1966 exceeding the 106 that NYC hit in 1936 (also in the same era.)

 

[SACRUS]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

it matches the 5 years in the 1991-2002 period Tony, of which 1993 is at the top.  1993 and 2010 being at the top doesn't surprise me, since they were also two of our driest years.  2022 did well to come in third place, matching 1944 and 1988.

 

 

I think we can agree that a drier hotter spell is preferred and it as been a wet stretch the past years but just as hot as some of those years on occasion.   

 

 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Highest recent 98 in 2021, 97 in 2022 at the park. 100 in 2012.  

That was quite an achievement during the 2010-2013 era (JFK's last time was 2013), we had drier Julys back then, Tony.

[SACRUS]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

It rained less back then, I think there were less trees because it was a drier era.  Look at NYC's rainfall total from 1966, which was one of only two years in which NYC had 4 100+ days (the other was 1953-- in the same era)  In 1966, NYC only had 26 inches of rain, nowadays we get that in a few months lol. LGA hit 107 in 1966 exceeding the 106 that NYC hit in 1936 (also in the same era.)

 

https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/monthlyannualprecip.pdf

 

Good reference

[LibertyBell]

Just now, SACRUS said:

 

I think we can agree that a drier hotter spell is preferred and it as been a wet stretch the past years but just as hot as some of those years on occasion.   

 

 

Yes, I think we're reaching a tipping point where eventually those records will be broken, even if the years are wetter.

Probably for the coastal areas too.

 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, SACRUS said:

https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/monthlyannualprecip.pdf

 

Good reference

I'm not sure how we'd live if we had another year that dry.

[anthonymm]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes indeed.... did you see Miami's historical record? I was shocked they only hit 100 in their entire recorded history and that was back in 1942.

Our July/August core summer weather is now startingly similar to miami's. The total lack of lows in the 60s in startling. Mornings are no longer refreshing, its just gross 24/7 during these months.

[anthonymm]

5 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Highest recent 98 in 2021, 97 in 2022 at the park. 100 in 2012.  

It was already much drier in 2012. You are forgetting hunga tonga.

[MANDA]

41 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Slow to clear

 

Hopeful for at least some brightening if not breaks in the clouds later this afternoon.  What a run of weather for mid June.

 

https://www.meteo.psu.edu/ewall/PSUGOES_NE/loop60v.html

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, MANDA said:

Hopeful for at least some brightening if not breaks in the clouds later this afternoon.  What a run of weather for mid June.

Be careful what you wish for lol.

I have seen such an overgrowth of vines (I wrote about it in the NW thread) that it's hard to open my front door or get into my mailbox.  All of this happened in just 5 days. I'm going to be spraying defoliant this weekend.

 

[winterwx21]

9 minutes ago, MANDA said:

Hopeful for at least some brightening if not breaks in the clouds later this afternoon.  What a run of weather for mid June.

It has been miserable weather, but one positive is it revived my romaine lettuce. Yesterday I picked a ton of pretty high quality lettuce, very unusual for mid June. This cloudy, cool damp weather has been great for the cool season vegetables. It's really extending them. I'm still picking a lot of broccoli too. 

Of course not great for the warm weather vegetables. My tomatoes are off to a slow start. I'm glad this pattern is finally ending. It's nice to still be getting the lettuce, but the warm weather vegetables obviously are the more important thing now. It's time to burn away the cold weather vegetables and get the warm weather vegetables going. 

[Sundog]

37 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

One can argue that trees are part of our natural environment, while concrete is not.

So is a bog. You are not going to put a thermomemter in the mud, are you? 

[Brian5671]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

Starting to look like more run of the mill type heat for most especially the city and east. The eastern periphery of the ridge is prone to backdoor fronts and cloud/T-storms. Also looks like winds will try hard to veer onshore which heightens the humidity but would make it hard to reach 95. But if we have dewpoints well into the 70s with temps over 90 it’s still disgusting. Just not historic, more like our more typical FL type heat of late. Inland away from the seabreezes or backdoor intrusions can likely make it to 100. 

Models are often overdone with the torch in the longer range.  And with wet ground it makes Even less sense

[Sundog]

Either we have siting standards or we don't.

A weather station is supposed to be in an open area, not underneath trees and overgrowth.

 

[MANDA]

1 minute ago, Brian5671 said:

Models are often overdone with the torch in the longer range.  And with wet ground it makes Even less sense

Offset to this will be higher dews.  So while EXTREME temperatures are pretty much off the table some nasty HI readings and sultry overnights are upcoming.  Max HI 105-110, maybe a little above that (112?),

[Dark Star]

I think I may actually be seeing a shadow here in Garwood NJ???

[LibertyBell]

19 minutes ago, Sundog said:

So is a bog. You are not going to put a thermomemter in the mud, are you? 

Nope, but I'm not convinced that measuring in a concrete environment gives scientifically comparable results.  And it's far more scientifically reasonable to assume that the rainier climate is keeping the maxes from rising as much as the mins are.  Climate change means different things for different places and obviously affects summer much more differently than winter.  No reason for alarmist talk of widespread 100+ numbers which obviously aren't happening.

 

[LibertyBell]

18 minutes ago, MANDA said:

Offset to this will be higher dews.  So while EXTREME temperatures are pretty much off the table some nasty HI readings and sultry overnights are upcoming.  Max HI 105-110, maybe a little above that (112?),

Higher dew points actually make it more difficult for the temperature to rise as quickly,. the air takes on the physical properties of water.

 

[LibertyBell]

21 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Either we have siting standards or we don't.

A weather station is supposed to be in an open area, not underneath trees and overgrowth.

 

it still doesn't explain the extreme heat we had during the 30s to 50s period as well as a drier climate does.

[LibertyBell]

32 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

It has been miserable weather, but one positive is it revived my romaine lettuce. Yesterday I picked a ton of pretty high quality lettuce, very unusual for mid June. This cloudy, cool damp weather has been great for the cool season vegetables. It's really extending them. I'm still picking a lot of broccoli too. 

Of course not great for the warm weather vegetables. My tomatoes are off to a slow start. I'm glad this pattern is finally ending. It's nice to still be getting the lettuce, but the warm weather vegetables obviously are the more important thing now. It's time to burn away the cold weather vegetables and get the warm weather vegetables going. 

parasitic vines and weeds are overgrowing and I'm going to have to nuke everything this weekend.