2025-2026 ENSO

[bluewave]

25 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

The average winter temp in International Falls last winter was 9.1°. You dont tell someone who lives there and says "it was pretty cold this winter!", "well you probably felt cold after last winter but the CONUS temp was 34.07°

While you and I would consider any winter averaging 9.1° in NYC or DTW pretty darn cold, it was still a +0.4 winter for INL against the warmest 91-20 climate normals and a +1.9 against the long term average with several missing years in the old days. But that long term +1.9° is exactly the same as the U.S. long term this past winter of +1.9°. So the local INL conditions were proportional to the wider national average.

[michsnowfreak]

53 minutes ago, bluewave said:

While you and I would consider any winter averaging 9.1° in NYC or DTW pretty darn cold, it was still a +0.4 winter for INL against the warmest 91-20 climate normals and a +1.9 against the long term average with several missing years in the old days. But that long term +1.9° is exactly the same as the U.S. long term this past winter of +1.9°. So the local INL conditions were proportional to the wider national average.

I was using it as an example. I didnt even look up the departure. Detroits winter was 27.5° which was -0.9° 1991-2020 departures. But again. This turned into more than my intended point. My entire point is that everyone in the U.S. did not "feel" a 34.07° winter avg temp. Some places were warmer and some colder relative to their own averages. 

[michsnowfreak]

4 hours ago, snowman19 said:

Definitely don’t mention the 07-08 winter in the NYC forum, you’ll get rocks thrown at you lol But in all seriousness, that winter was a complete and utter disaster for snow south of New England. One of the all time worst for the NYC metro area in the last 30 years in fact…..it ranks right up there with 97-98, 01-02, 11-12 and 19-20

Posters in the southern Great Lakes will be throwing confetti, not rocks, at the mention of 2007-08. Banner snow season.

Madison, WI- 101.4"
Milwaukee, WI- 99.1"
Ann Arbor, MI- 90.5"
Flint, MI- 82.8"
Saginaw, MI- 80.0"
Cleveland, OH- 77.2"
Detroit, MI- 71.7"
Chicago, IL- 60.3"
Toledo, OH- 58.1"

[snowman19]

Posters in the southern Great Lakes will be throwing confetti, not rocks, at the mention of 2007-08. Banner snow season.
Madison, WI- 101.4"
Milwaukee, WI- 99.1"
Ann Arbor, MI- 90.5"
Flint, MI- 82.8"
Saginaw, MI- 80.0"
Cleveland, OH- 77.2"
Detroit, MI- 71.7"
Chicago, IL- 60.3"
Toledo, OH- 58.1"

When Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan are seeing a lot of snow, it’s usually really bad news for the NYC metro area