TheClimateChanger Posted August 1, 2024 Share Posted August 1, 2024 3 hours ago, bluewave said: Yeah, the areas east of NYC had much lower departures than in NJ due to the much stronger sea breezes this month. LGA….+0.5 JFK…..+.1.7 ISP…….+1.9 NYC…..+2.1 EWR…..+3.1 FWN…..+3.5 SMQ…..+3.7 Hightstown….Was +5.0 on 7-25 but hasn’t updated for last week yet Another thing to keep in mind is how they define normals. They keep jacking the so-called "normal" value up and up, especially in the summertime. Really the should be called climatological abnormals. In looking through the old records, I noticed the July normal mean temperature has been raised a full 3.6F (2.0C) for both Erie, Pennsylvania and Toledo, Ohio, since the 1980s. For these locations, the NWS now says a normal August is about 2F warmer than a normal July 35 years ago, and a normal June is nearly as warm as a normal July 35 years. At what point are they going to start telling us its normal for September to be warmer than a normal July in the late 20th century? Just took a look at LaGuardia, and it's not up quite as much, but still +2.8F from the 1980s. Curiously, the July mean at Newark is only up +1.4F since the 1980s. It's an odd dynamic. A normal July at EWR was considered to be 0.4F warmer than a normal July at LGA in the 1980s. Today, a normal July at EWR is considered to be 1.1F cooler than a normal July at LGA. But if you look at recent years, it looks like EWR is again the warm spot among the two in the month of July. Not sure why they would bounce around like that, but I would expect EWR's normal to be increased precipitously in another 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 1, 2024 Share Posted August 1, 2024 3 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: Another thing to keep in mind is how they define normals. They keep jacking the so-called "normal" value up and up, especially in the summertime. Really the should be called climatological abnormals. In looking through the old records, I noticed the July normal mean temperature has been raised a full 3.6F (2.0C) for both Erie, Pennsylvania and Toledo, Ohio, since the 1980s. For these locations, the NWS now says a normal August is about 2F warmer than a normal July 35 years ago, and a normal June is nearly as warm as a normal July 35 years. At what point are they going to start telling us its normal for September to be warmer than a normal July in the late 20th century? Just took a look at LaGuardia, and it's not up quite as much, but still +2.8F from the 1980s. Curiously, the July mean at Newark is only up +1.4F since the 1980s. It's an odd dynamic. A normal July at EWR was considered to be 0.4F warmer than a normal July at LGA in the 1980s. Today, a normal July at EWR is considered to be 1.1F cooler than a normal July at LGA. But if you look at recent years, it looks like EWR is again the warm spot among the two in the month of July. Not sure why they would bounce around like that, but I would expect EWR's normal to be increased precipitously in another 7 years. That’s why my previous post was the rankings for the stations which are the absolutes rather than departures which change every 10 years. But the sea breeze influence was evident in both datasets. The sea breeze prevented Newark from having a 90° average high for July like Harrison and SMQ did. Time Series Summary for SOMERSET AIRPORT, NJ - Month of JulClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1 1999 92.2 1 2 2022 91.5 0 3 2011 90.3 0 4 2024 90.0 0 5 2020 89.7 0 6 2010 89.4 0 7 2019 89.2 0 - 2012 89.2 0 - 2003 89.2 25 8 2016 88.9 0 9 2023 88.2 0 10 2006 88.0 0 Time Series Summary for HARRISON, NJ - Month of JulClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1 2011 91.3 1 2 2022 91.0 0 3 2010 90.8 1 4 2019 90.6 0 - 2012 90.6 2 5 2024 90.5 0 6 2020 90.3 0 7 2002 89.7 0 8 2023 89.5 0 9 2016 88.9 0 10 2018 88.6 0 Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of JulClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1 2011 92.5 0 2 1993 92.2 0 3 2022 92.1 0 - 2010 92.1 0 4 1994 90.4 0 5 1999 90.2 0 6 2012 90.1 0 7 1966 90.0 0 - 1955 90.0 0 8 2024 89.7 0 - 1988 89.7 0 9 2019 89.5 0 10 1952 89.4 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWR757 Posted August 1, 2024 Share Posted August 1, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 9:36 AM, FPizz said: I feel like for the past couple years their temps have been running a little high on sunny days. That's like 4 miles from me and is usually the highest temp in the area. @mgerb , have you ever noticed that or am I just wrong haha. Both Duke Farms and KSMQ reported max temperatures of 99 F on Thursday, August 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted August 1, 2024 Share Posted August 1, 2024 58 minutes ago, EWR757 said: Both Duke Farms and KSMQ reported max temperatures of 99 F on Thursday, August 1. I was 97, but today wasn't totally sunny around the area so their temps lived better with surrounding areas and all the stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgerb Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 1 hour ago, EWR757 said: Both Duke Farms and KSMQ reported max temperatures of 99 F on Thursday, August 1. And 98 at New Brunswick, so pretty well in line. I think the dry conditions as of late may be playing a role in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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