April 2024

[Brian5671]

1 hour ago, JustinRP37 said:

It’s interesting how lately it is almost like clockwork that our Aprils are below average for temps and wetter than average. 

Yeah when have we ever seen a +8 April?   

[Brian5671]

16 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Brutal opening day for little league. Howling winds and freezing 

Almost a tradition....

[MJO812]

Gfs has a wet and cool pattern 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

The much wetter pattern which began after 2002 has only seen occasional relaxations like around 2012. It got taken up a notch with the most recent very wet pattern which began back in July. With the potential for such an active hurricane season coming up, it doesn’t appear that we’ll be seeing a significantly drier extended pattern anytime soon. Some stations like LGA have seen their wettest July into April by over 10.00”. So I am guessing that it’s related to the record global temperature spike able to hold more water vapor. 

 

Time Series Summary for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NY
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Rank	Ending Date	Total Precipitation Jul 1 to Apr 5	Missing Count
1	2024-04-05	59.84	0
2	1976-04-05	48.51	0
3	2019-04-05	45.98	0
4	2012-04-05	44.65	0
5	2005-04-05	44.27	0
6	1961-04-05	43.73	0
7	1956-04-05	42.90	0
8	1984-04-05	42.58	0
9	1951-04-05	42.06	0
10	1998-04-05	41.40	0

 

 

But wasn't 2010 dry?

and you can still have well over 100 degrees in a wet pattern-- 2011 is proof of this

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Light sleet here 

sleet how? it was in the 40s....

[bluewave]

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

Yeah when have we ever seen a +8 April?   

Newark came close to +5 with the warmest April on record last year.

 

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of Apr
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Rank	Year	Mean Avg Temperature	Missing Count
1	2023	58.0	0
2	2010	57.9	0
3	1994	57.4	0
4	2017	57.2	0
5	1985	57.0	0
6	1974	56.5	0
7	1941	56.2	0
8	2002	56.0	0
9	2006	55.7	0
10	2011	55.5	0

[snowman19]

1 hour ago, uofmiami said:

It was brutal yesterday evening and this morning for it. My son’s team as least won one game. Tomorrow morning is 3rd game of weekend tournament at 8:45. Going to be another miserable day for baseball. 

The high school teams here always play their first game the last week of March and without fail it’s always chilly and miserable. My cousin’s little league season started today and it sucked, way too cool but that’s baseball in the northeast I guess

[LibertyBell]

17 hours ago, Snowlover11 said:

missed the 3.8 on as i was in lala land but still impressive for here. gut feeling we will fell a few more in the coming hours.

It was 4.0-- I keep wondering about the accuracy of these measurements if they keep having to change them

[LibertyBell]

18 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

The aftershock that was initially shown at M4.0 was reduced to M3.8.

Can these even be considered to be accurate if they keep changing the numbers?

3.8 should just be considered 4.

 

[LibertyBell]

18 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

There was a study that once suggested that it would be capable of a Magnitude 6 or 7 earthquake.

Is there any evidence from the geological record that this happened hundreds of years ago Don, maybe in PreColumbian times?

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 7:03 AM, bluewave said:

Multiple stations hit 108° during a drier pattern in 2010 and 2011 which wasn’t nearly as dry as the spring of 2002 was. So we could easily beat that in this much warmer climate if we got into a summer drought with westerly winds. But since we have become so wet with more onshore flow, it hasn’t happened yet. All it took was a brief flash drought in October 2019 to set all time highs by several degrees for the month. Plus we had our first 80° during winter in 2018. So we have been lucky to an extent during the summer that the big highs have been elongated more east of New England instead of flatter into the Carolina’s or Tennessee Valley. When you look at what happened around the Pacific NW a few summers ago it shows how lucky we have been. 
 

Just add 2-3° to the 2010-2011 maxes and you see potentially what a drought could do here in the summer.

 

Data for January 1, 2010 through December 31, 2011
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State	Name	Station Type	Highest Max Temperature
NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	108
NY	MINEOLA	COOP	108
NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	107
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	107
NY	WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK	COOP	107

October 2019 and February 2018 records were 3-4°warmer than previous records

 

 

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of Oct
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Rank	Year	Highest Max Temperature	Missing Count
1	2019	96	0
2	1941	93	0
3	1949	92	0
4	1959	91	0
5	1939	90	0
-	1938	90	0

 

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of Feb
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Rank	Year	Highest Max Temperature	Missing Count
1	2018	80	0
2	1949	76	0
3	2017	74	0
-	1997	74	0
-	1954	74	0
6	1985	73	0

Seattle surpassed previous summer record by 5° in the much warmer 2020s.

 

Time Series Summary for Seattle Tacoma Area, WA (ThreadEx) - Jan through Dec
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Rank	Year	Highest Max Temperature	Missing Count
1	2021	108	0
2	2009	103	0
3	1994	100	0
4	1991	99	0
-	1981	99	0
-	1960	99	0
5	2020	98	0
-	2007	98	0
-	1988	98	0
-	1979	98	0
-	1967	98	0

 

 

We hit 108 on Long Island in 2011, one of our wettest years on record.

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 8:06 AM, bluewave said:

Yeah, 2010 was even rough back in my old hometown of Long Beach. Westerly flow kept the beaches much warmer than they typically are. The beaches were way too crowded with almost no parking spaces in the neighborhoods. The summer of 2009 was so much more pleasant with much cooler temperatures and less crowds on the boardwalk and beaches. 
 

Looks like we have a shot at mid 70s Tuesday before we get backdoored again on Wednesday and the rains return again. 

 

I wouldn't say it's rough, I'd say it's absolutely glorious because westerly winds remove our main source of pollution-- which is water vapor.

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 8:17 AM, Dan76 said:

Just looking up the Mineloa coop they had 4 days in a row over 100 in 2010

we were even close here on the south shore near JFK, it was three days out of four of 100+

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 8:31 AM, jm1220 said:

It can be as hot on LI or even hotter on W wind days in the summer because of downsloping and compressional heating (the area just north of where the onshore and offshore winds meet) near the sea breeze front. That’s why often the hottest spots anywhere on those days are near JFK and S Nassau away from the barrier islands, or even on the barrier islands when they don’t turn to S winds. I totally agree about the humidity “saving” us (heat indices are often well over 100 now, so even the lower temps come with Miami like humidity because the waters are so warm) and the next dry period here being much hotter than before. We see how horrible the heat was down south last summer, one day that will be us too. 

humidity doesn't save us, dry heat feels MUCH better than humid heat, even if it's 10 degrees "cooler"

101 with a dew point of 60 is much better than 91 with a dew point of 75

in 2010 JFK had 3 days out of 4 of 100+ and it felt so good, I went out running in it.

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 8:31 AM, bluewave said:

The Euro seasonal just updated and it has a very wet summer into fall near the East Coast with a very active hurricane season. 
 

 

 

Are they also predicting many TC tracks from NC to points north?

and also predicting avg to below avg temps for the summer?

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:09 AM, jm1220 said:

I don’t find it any better that now we’re regularly 93 with dew points 75 or over vs more hot but lower dew point. 

forget that... give me 101 with a dewpoint of 60 any day over this humid polluted mess

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:00 AM, bluewave said:

Yeah, also looks like higher dewpoints again with more onshore flow with the continuation of high pressure to our north and northeast especially as the summer goes on. 
 

 

 

the worst possible kind of summer

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:20 AM, uofmiami said:

 

hmm he seems to think it'll be hotter and drier here

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 10:07 AM, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR:  83 (1985)
NYC:  80 (1928)
LGA:  74  (1989)


Lows:

EWR: 23 (1995)
NYC: 20 (1874)
LGA: 25 (1995)

 

Historical:

 

1815: The Tambora Volcano in Java began erupting on this day. A few days later on the 10, Tambora produced the largest eruption known on the planet in the last 10,000 years. Ash from the volcano would circle the globe, blocking sunlight and leading to the unusually cold summer in 1816. On 6/6/1816, snow would fall as far south of Connecticut with some places in New England picking up 10 inches. On July 4th, 1816, the temperature at Savannah GA plunged to 46 degrees. Eastern North America and Europe had freezing nighttime temperatures in August.

 

1936: Approximately 454 people were killed in the second-deadliest tornado outbreak ever in U.S. More than 12 twisters struck Arkansas to South Carolina. An estimated F5 tornado cut a path 400 yards wide through the residential section of Tupelo, Mississippi. At least 216 people were killed, and 700 were injured. The tornado had a 15-mile long path and did $3 million in damage. One of the survivors in Tupelo was a baby of an economically strapped family who had an infant they'd recently named Elvis Aaron Presley. Gainesville, Georgia had at least 203 fatalities and 934 injuries from an estimated F4 tornado that occurred early the following morning. 

 

1945 - The temperature at Eagles Nest, NM, plunged to 45 degrees below zero to establish an April record for the United States. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)

1955 - The Northern Rockies and the Northern High Plains were in the midst of a four day storm which produced 52 inches of snow at Lead, located in the Black Hills of western South Dakota. (David Ludlum)

1972 - A tornado, 500 yards wide at times, touched down at a marina on the Oregon side of the Columbia River, and then tore through Vancouver WA killing six persons, injuring 300 others, and causing more than five million dollars damage. It was the deadliest tornado of the year, and the worst of record for Washington. (The Weather Channel)

1982 - An unprecedented April blizzard began in the northeastern U.S. One to two feet of snow fell across Massachusetts and Connecticut, and up to 26 inches was reported in Maine. New York City received a foot of snow. Winds reached 70 to 80 mph during the storm, and the storm also produced numerous thunderstorms, which contributed to the heavy snow. (Storm Data)

1987 - A storm produced unprecedented April snows in the central Appalachians. Mount Mitchell NC received 35 inches of snow, and up to 60 inches (six feet) of snow was reported in the mountains along the border of North Carolina and Tennessee. The total of 25 inches at Charleston WV easily surpassed their previous record for the entire month of April of 5.9 inches. The 20.6 inch total at Akron OH established an all-time record for that location. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Thirty-nine cities across the eastern half of the country reported record high temperatures for the date, including Saint Louis MO with a reading of 91 degrees. Laredo TX was the hot spot in the nation with an afternoon high of 100 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Unseasonably hot weather prevailed in the southwestern U.S. Afternoon highs of 100 degrees at Santa Maria CA and 105 degrees in Downtown Los Angeles established records for the month of April. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - Afternoon and evening thunderstorms developing along a cold front produced severe weather in southern Oklahoma, southern Arkansas, and north central and northeastern Texas. Thunderstorms spawned a dozen tornadoes in Texas, including one at Fort Worth which caused a million dollars damage. There were nearly one hundred reports of large hail and damaging winds. Thunderstorms in Texas produced hail three and a half inches in diameter west of Fort Worth, and produced wind gusts to 80 mph at Cross Plains. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

Tony-- this was the day in 1995 I remember where it felt like January-- sunny and windy and very cold!

a high of 37 and a low of 23 if I remember correctly?

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/5/2024 at 10:07 AM, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR:  83 (1985)
NYC:  80 (1928)
LGA:  74  (1989)


Lows:

EWR: 23 (1995)
NYC: 20 (1874)
LGA: 25 (1995)

 

Historical:

 

1815: The Tambora Volcano in Java began erupting on this day. A few days later on the 10, Tambora produced the largest eruption known on the planet in the last 10,000 years. Ash from the volcano would circle the globe, blocking sunlight and leading to the unusually cold summer in 1816. On 6/6/1816, snow would fall as far south of Connecticut with some places in New England picking up 10 inches. On July 4th, 1816, the temperature at Savannah GA plunged to 46 degrees. Eastern North America and Europe had freezing nighttime temperatures in August.

 

1936: Approximately 454 people were killed in the second-deadliest tornado outbreak ever in U.S. More than 12 twisters struck Arkansas to South Carolina. An estimated F5 tornado cut a path 400 yards wide through the residential section of Tupelo, Mississippi. At least 216 people were killed, and 700 were injured. The tornado had a 15-mile long path and did $3 million in damage. One of the survivors in Tupelo was a baby of an economically strapped family who had an infant they'd recently named Elvis Aaron Presley. Gainesville, Georgia had at least 203 fatalities and 934 injuries from an estimated F4 tornado that occurred early the following morning. 

 

1945 - The temperature at Eagles Nest, NM, plunged to 45 degrees below zero to establish an April record for the United States. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)

1955 - The Northern Rockies and the Northern High Plains were in the midst of a four day storm which produced 52 inches of snow at Lead, located in the Black Hills of western South Dakota. (David Ludlum)

1972 - A tornado, 500 yards wide at times, touched down at a marina on the Oregon side of the Columbia River, and then tore through Vancouver WA killing six persons, injuring 300 others, and causing more than five million dollars damage. It was the deadliest tornado of the year, and the worst of record for Washington. (The Weather Channel)

1982 - An unprecedented April blizzard began in the northeastern U.S. One to two feet of snow fell across Massachusetts and Connecticut, and up to 26 inches was reported in Maine. New York City received a foot of snow. Winds reached 70 to 80 mph during the storm, and the storm also produced numerous thunderstorms, which contributed to the heavy snow. (Storm Data)

1987 - A storm produced unprecedented April snows in the central Appalachians. Mount Mitchell NC received 35 inches of snow, and up to 60 inches (six feet) of snow was reported in the mountains along the border of North Carolina and Tennessee. The total of 25 inches at Charleston WV easily surpassed their previous record for the entire month of April of 5.9 inches. The 20.6 inch total at Akron OH established an all-time record for that location. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Thirty-nine cities across the eastern half of the country reported record high temperatures for the date, including Saint Louis MO with a reading of 91 degrees. Laredo TX was the hot spot in the nation with an afternoon high of 100 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Unseasonably hot weather prevailed in the southwestern U.S. Afternoon highs of 100 degrees at Santa Maria CA and 105 degrees in Downtown Los Angeles established records for the month of April. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - Afternoon and evening thunderstorms developing along a cold front produced severe weather in southern Oklahoma, southern Arkansas, and north central and northeastern Texas. Thunderstorms spawned a dozen tornadoes in Texas, including one at Fort Worth which caused a million dollars damage. There were nearly one hundred reports of large hail and damaging winds. Thunderstorms in Texas produced hail three and a half inches in diameter west of Fort Worth, and produced wind gusts to 80 mph at Cross Plains. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1982 - An unprecedented April blizzard began in the northeastern U.S. One to two feet of snow fell across Massachusetts and Connecticut, and up to 26 inches was reported in Maine. New York City received a foot of snow. Winds reached 70 to 80 mph during the storm, and the storm also produced numerous thunderstorms, which contributed to the heavy snow. (Storm Data)

 

and the anniversary of our latest blizzard of all time!

 

anyone got pictures from this historic storm?

[bluewave]

16 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

We hit 108 on Long Island in 2011, one of our wettest years on record.

 

That 108° In Mineola was in 2010 which was drier before the epic deluge from August into September 2011. 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:46 PM, Dan76 said:

 

When was the last time you cracked 100.

3 days out of 4 over 100 here in SW Nassau in July 2010.

July 2011 was even hotter but the heat only lasted 2 days

 

[LibertyBell]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:24 PM, Dark Star said:

For NYC proper, they are close enough to the ocean for Seabreeze cooling effects.  When land heats up, it rises. The "missing" air at the surface has to be replaced.  If you are close enough to the ocean, cooler air along the surface will rush in.  Morristown NJ may be far enough west not to be affected by an afternoon sea breeze.

W to NW winds will stop that from happening

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, bluewave said:

That 108° In Mineola was in 2010 which was drier before the epic deluge from August into September 2011. 

Yes, the key is for it not to be wet for a couple of weeks around the time of peak heat.  I think we could have hit 100 last year if the rains waited for August like in 2011.

April and May and June were pretty dry from what I remember.

[LibertyBell]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:30 PM, Dan76 said:

SW wind is off the ocean for Staten island east.

This is why we want W to NW for peak heat here in the summer.

It makes us hotter than Manhattan.

[LibertyBell]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:55 PM, psv88 said:

I want to say 2010 or so was when we had that blast of 100+ where Gilgo beach hit 108. Point remains, an offshore flow negates the impact of the ocean. 

You probably exceeded 100 in 2011 too, JFK hit 103 in July 2011 (2 days in a row of 100+) and 102 in July 2010 (3 days out of 4 of 100+)

[bluewave]

17 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes, the key is for it not to be wet for a couple of weeks around the time of peak heat.  I think we could have hit 100 last year if the rains waited for August like in 2011.

April and May and June were pretty dry from what I remember.

All it took was a dry July and August in 2022 for 4-6 days reaching 100° away from the sea breeze influence in NJ. NJ probably could have made it 10 days if they were able to get a real drought like back in 2002.
 

Data for July 1, 2022 through August 31, 2022
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Name	Station Type	Number of Days Max Temperature >= 100
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	6
Newark Area	ThreadEx	6
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO	COOP	5
SOMERSET AIRPORT	WBAN	5
CANOE BROOK	COOP	4
HARRISON	COOP	4

[donsutherland1]

43 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Can these even be considered to be accurate if they keep changing the numbers?

3.8 should just be considered 4.

 

Revisions are often based on the examination of a wider set of data.

[donsutherland1]

44 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Is there any evidence from the geological record that this happened hundreds of years ago Don, maybe in PreColumbian times?

 

The Ramapo Fault is an old one. I'm sure some research has been done.

[bluewave]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

But wasn't 2010 dry?

and you can still have well over 100 degrees in a wet pattern-- 2011 is proof of this

The epic deluge in August into September 2011 came after the record heat in June and July.