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5 minutes ago, dan11295 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3867475/

It is important to remember pandemics often differ from each other in duration, severity and most effected populations.  The 1890 pandemic (generally assumed to be influenza but coronavirus OC43 has recently been suggested as a cause) occurred in waves over 3 separate years.

Interesting read.

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3 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Regarding Florida, I can't find it now but I read something maybe a couple weeks ago that suggested that the death toll there was underreported by several thousand.  Anyone else remember reading something like that?  Again I can't find that story right now for some reason but may look for it again later when I have more time.

 

3 hours ago, Hoosier said:

I know what I read.  I will find it come hell or high water.  Also important to point out that an undercount of deaths doesn't necessarily mean it's because of an orchestrated conspiracy.  Could be an innocent reason.

Found it.  Not the same website that I originally saw it on, but it's the same story.  Not all of the 4924 would be covid deaths, but may be reasonable to assume most are.  Florida is a huge state though so when accounting for population size, this undercount may not stand out from other states.

 

Results. Our results suggest that Florida experienced 19 241 (15.5%) excess deaths above historical trends from March to September 2020, including 14 317 COVID-19 deaths and an additional 4924 all-cause, excluding COVID-19, deaths in that period.

 

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2020.306130

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12 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Imagine scolding someone for posting about coronavirus in a thread titled “coronavirus”. You’re here too, posting, you know. 

You got me. Back in the winter, when I was afraid to leave my house because of covid, I was on a Zoom call with a friend (well, let’s be real, an acquaintance, because I have no social skills or friends), who said “I post a lot on on this forum called American Weather because I’m cool. I know you don’t give a rat’s a** about weather, but they have this coronavirus thread where you can spout your hardcore pro-vax drivel. You should check it out!” And the rest is history.

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The issue is that the same people who lurk because they "don't know much about the weather" somehow think that they are entitled to voice their opinions in here when they clearly know even less about virology. 

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4 hours ago, Chambana said:

Typical liberal. Because CNN or MSNBC refuses to acknowledge a border crisis, you take it as a conspiracy theory.

Wow that wall of text you posted, nice work there outing yourself on this one. You are probably the type that didn't view it as a crisis until January 21st this year. Even though its been a crisis for years. 

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28 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

The issue is that the same people who lurk because they "don't know much about the weather" somehow think that they are entitled to voice their opinions in here when they clearly know even less about virology. 

A bigger question would be why the hell they are here to begin with. There are cesspools they can go fester in elsewhere on the internet.

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9 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

The issue is that the same people who lurk because they "don't know much about the weather" somehow think that they are entitled to voice their opinions in here when they clearly know even less about virology. 

Everybody here has been through the exact same number of global pandemics 

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14 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Everybody here has been through the exact same number of global pandemics 

So if “number of global pandemics survived” is directly correlated to one’s knowledge of virology, is “number of thunderstorms survived” a valid measurement for one’s knowledge of meteorology?

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42 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

So if “number of global pandemics survived” is directly correlated to one’s knowledge of virology, is “number of thunderstorms survived” a valid measurement for one’s knowledge of meteorology?

There isn't anybody in here claiming to be experts in virology. The guy who keeps posting about "virology" and "science" hasn't posted a scientific reference since I have been following this thread. Again, you are for some reason obsessed with making it seem strange that people are talking about Covid in a Covid thread, while you are also hanging out in the Covid thread. Go talk about weather if you feel so strongly that's what everyone should be doing here. In case you haven't noticed, its the biggest thing doing on in the world right now and for a lot of us, our lifetimes. People are going to be talking about it on any of the normal platforms they visit in any place that is designated for them to do so. It would be weird if they didn't. 

Anyways. Scheduled for the vaccine May 21st. 

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6 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

There isn't anybody in here claiming to be experts in virology. The guy who keeps posting about "virology" and "science" hasn't posted a scientific reference since I have been following this thread. Again, you are for some reason obsessed with making it seem strange that people are talking about Covid in a Covid thread, while you are also hanging out in the Covid thread. Go talk about weather if you feel so strongly that's what everyone should be doing here. In case you haven't noticed, its the biggest thing doing on in the world right now and for a lot of us, our lifetimes. People are going to be talking about it on any of the normal platforms they visit in any place that is designated for them to do so. It would be weird if they didn't. 

Anyways. Scheduled for the vaccine May 21st. 

Fair enough, and all valid points. I certainly would say of the people in this thread with opposing viewpoints to mine, yours are the most reasonable and logical. The “face diapers” and “snow shovel in Barbados” guys are making you all look bad. And unfortunately spending a year on Facebook and Twitter during a global pandemic sometimes makes it hard to separate the “your face diaper is useless” types from the reasonable people with reasonable concerns.

Edit: social media is the devil. At least on a weather forum we all (with the exception of a few that I’m still on the fence about) have a common interest.

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13 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

If they decide to not get the vaccines that's on them, they are taking that risk. Everyone else should be living like they were before covid. That is what vaccines are for right? Not to social distance, wear a mask, and limit capacity everywhere. If all that still happens than what is the point of all of this? You do realize more kids under 16 die from the flu then covid right?

The messaging with the vaccines has been very poor.  In the beginning it was take the vaccine, but you can still transmit, get infected, have to wear a mask, have to distance etc.   Now, I believe there is more data on at least reducing the transmission.   There has to be an end, otherwise you will never convince more people to take it.  

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8 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

 

So 22% of our nation’s population accounts for 44% of covid infections. Not good. But hopefully certain people take note of the fact that Florida is one of those states.

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Just now, TimB84 said:

So 22% of our nation’s population accounts for 44% of covid infections. Not good. But hopefully certain people take note of the fact that Florida is one of those states.

I dont really care as to which states it is. It's more about allocating vaccine resources to those places where infection is surging because it saves more lives. 

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3 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I dont really care as to which states it is. It's more about allocating vaccine resources to those places where infection is surging because it saves more lives. 

I agree with that. Allocating vaccine shouldn’t be based on red state/blue state politics, it should be based on who needs it the most. But there is a narrative among people of certain political persuasions that  states with more lax restrictions are handling the pandemic better and fewer people in those states are getting sick, which is indisputably false. The virus is equal opportunity when it comes to infecting people.

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2 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

Everybody here has been through the exact same number of global pandemics 

Yes, but only about four or five of us seem to have ever taken an entry-level biology class. 

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Look. Again, this isn't even directed against you. Although I don't agree with everything you say, you engage in civil discourse better than I have, and I respect that. But some of the goobers in here are really just frightening, like dta who has verbatim said that masks lead to *more* infections (and I don't think it was sarcasm).

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4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I agree with that. Allocating vaccine shouldn’t be based on red state/blue state politics, it should be based on who needs it the most. But there is a narrative among people of certain political persuasions that  states with more lax restrictions are handling the pandemic better and fewer people in those states are getting sick, which is indisputably false. The virus is equal opportunity when it comes to infecting people.

I don't think the argument is "better" as much as "as well" as states with stricter restrictions. 

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44 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

Look. Again, this isn't even directed against you. Although I don't agree with everything you say, you engage in civil discourse better than I have, and I respect that. But some of the goobers in here are really just frightening, like dta who has verbatim said that masks lead to *more* infections (and I don't think it was sarcasm).

Was this a recent statement?  I did just relay what the WHO says about exercising and microorganisms.   In addition, wearing a used mask filled with bacteria isn't good either. 

I'll own it if I said it somewhere, but you've already tried coming at me about this. 

https://cw.ua.edu/65524/top-stories/full-time-mask-wearing-brings-its-own-set-of-problems/

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48 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

Look. Again, this isn't even directed against you. Although I don't agree with everything you say, you engage in civil discourse better than I have, and I respect that. But some of the goobers in here are really just frightening, like dta who has verbatim said that masks lead to *more* infections (and I don't think it was sarcasm).

I don't get the mask thing and never will, but some people really, really hate them. My mom included (and I think @BuffaloWeather said he did too a couple pages back). EVEN IN the scenario they didn't help physically to stop the spread, I think they mentally help reassure people and that means a lot. And there's really no cost to wearing them. But, there isn't a whole lot of "anti-mask" rhetoric in this thread. @dta1984 has said a couple times he still wears one everywhere he goes. 

As far as the rest of the scary language... I think people just have to understand that people saying the government should be forcing people to get the vaccine at this point is equally scary to some people. And that's not even political (for me at least). Just for a little color on that-there are things that I LOVE in life that the future of depends on effective communication, rational thought, and science based arguments, because I am in the overwhelming minority of people who participate in those activities. The way you guys talk about some of this stuff using emotional rationalization scares me in the exact same way the anti mask or anti vaccine rhetoric scares you guys, because to me, it sets a precedent that I see as a pathway that could bring an end to my way of life. But, we have to find ways to talk about this stuff where we promote mutual respect and understanding instead of scaring each other when we disagree on something. 

 

 

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I may have missed this being posted, but good news.  Perhaps the smallest study I have seen yet though, lol.

Moderna COVID vaccine offers protection for at least 6 months, study finds

by Ernie Mundell Healthday Reporter

(HealthDay)—There's good news for the millions of Americans who've already received a dose or two of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine: New research shows the vaccine should protect against illness for at least six months.

The new study tracked 33 participants in the trials that led to the vaccine's approval. Six months after having received their second vaccine dose, "antibody activity remained high in all age groups," according to a team led by Nicole Doria-Rose of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID).

Her group published their findings April 6 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The reassuring results follow on similar findings for the other major two-dose vaccine included in the U.S. vaccine rollout, made by Pfizer/BioNTech. Trial results released April 1 by the companies found that their vaccine remains more than 91% effective six months after people get their second dose.

The new results from Moderna are based on 33 people ranging in age from 18 to older than 71. The study found that while everyone maintained high levels of infection-fighting immune system antibodies in blood samples, levels did seem to fall according to the increasing age of participants.

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More great evidence that vaccines are our main way out of this. 
There should be no debate anymore as to the efficacy of the vaccines. I'm not gonna jump in on the shaming of those who insist on waiting longer to get the shots, but at this point it's unfortunate there's still so much skepticism.

The vaccines are our ticket back to normalcy. Hundreds of millions have gotten the shots and they've overwhelmingly been safe. What's really the benefit of waiting longer when they're being made available to all adults this month? If you're saying you plan to get the vaccine at some point anyway, why not now?

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2 hours ago, OSUmetstud said:

 

This does not shock me at all. The amount of northern plates I've seen the last few weeks, especially on I-95 is noticeable. Lets be honest, this is a great time of year to vacation in the South and people with the means to in the North are taking full advantage. Wouldn't shock me at all to see surges in Virginia and Illinois as well shortly, seeing a lot of people from there lately as well. A pale family wearing all Cubs hats is a dead giveaway :lol:

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Getting the J&J vaccine on Friday at Walgreens. Parents have had their first and are coming up on their second. GF and her mom fully vaccinated too. So my closest circle is about complete. :D

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3 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

I don't get the mask thing and never will, but some people really, really hate them. My mom included (and I think @BuffaloWeather said he did too a couple pages back). EVEN IN the scenario they didn't help physically to stop the spread, I think they mentally help reassure people and that means a lot. And there's really no cost to wearing them. But, there isn't a whole lot of "anti-mask" rhetoric in this thread. @dta1984 has said a couple times he still wears one everywhere he goes. 

As far as the rest of the scary language... I think people just have to understand that people saying the government should be forcing people to get the vaccine at this point is equally scary to some people. And that's not even political (for me at least). Just for a little color on that-there are things that I LOVE in life that the future of depends on effective communication, rational thought, and science based arguments, because I am in the overwhelming minority of people who participate in those activities. The way you guys talk about some of this stuff using emotional rationalization scares me in the exact same way the anti mask or anti vaccine rhetoric scares you guys, because to me, it sets a precedent that I see as a pathway that could bring an end to my way of life. But, we have to find ways to talk about this stuff where we promote mutual respect and understanding instead of scaring each other when we disagree on something. 

 

 

Weird, I thought I "verbatim" said masks cause infection.  Which is interesting because dirty ones in fact do in some situations.  

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1 minute ago, dta1984 said:

Weird, I thought I "verbatim" said masks cause infection.  Which is interesting because they in fact do in some situations.  

They don’t in some situations. People who don’t know you’re supposed to wash them, despite this not being a new concept, cause their own infections.

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