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-The cyclonicwx.com OISST updated for the first time in 3 days. Nino 3.4 is up to +2.05, up from the +1.89 of 3 days ago and compared to the latest OISST on WCS of +2.07. So, the two are now very close together. Today’s cyclonicwx OISST for the Nino regions: -1+2: +1.91 -3: +2.27 -3.4: +2.05 (was +1.98 yesterday) -4: +1.49 So, per OISST 3.4 of either source with both still rising, there’s a good shot at +2.0 or +2.1 to be reported for the next weekly (the one based on the avg of this cal. week’s data). Even a +2.2 isn’t out of the question if there continue to be large rises the rest of this week though I think that chance is small. But even a +2.2 would likely still not be high enough for a weekly peak to support a +2.0+ ONI. There’d probably need to be a +2.3 in some future week to get the unrounded ONI to reach +2.0+ (what I’d then classify as super) based on recent El Niños. It is even possible that a +2.4 week would be needed. Regardless, the chances have obviously increased for a super ONI vs where they were 4 days ago.

It isn’t CP. But it isn’t EP either. It is between those. And if we get the super Nino that you’ve been forecasting, that would likely mean Nino 3.4 gets to ~+2.3 on the weeklies. That would likely keep a EP from redeveloping. The most recent weekly 3.4 is the +1.9 issued today (covers last week). So, we still haven’t even had a +2.0 weekly yet though that may change next week depending on the rest of this week.

Today’s NOAA ENSO update has these: Nino 1+2: +2.0 Nino 3: +2.1 Nino 3+4: +1.9 Nino 4: +1.5 That’s just about as flat as it can get, especially for 1+2 vs 3 vs 3.4. Thus, this is no longer a simple EP Nino. And if 3.4 continues to warm faster than the other two, it will trend more and more toward CP: https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/enso_evolution-status-fcsts-web.pdf

The latest extended BoM looks similar to the extended Euro of the same day as regards the favorable MJO being forecasted for after Dec 12th: weak (especially near or inside COD) left side often means cold in the E US during El Niño winters

The latest available Euro Weeklies’ MJO forecast looks very nice for after 12/12 with weak inside COD phase 8 (which just means phase 8 with MJO amp <1), which on average has been cold during winter in the E US during El Niños..keep in mind that weak amp MJO has averaged colder than strong amp MJO:

At only a reliable 780 hours out, the 0Z 11/19 GEFS has an Aleutian trough and +PNA on 12/21 during what I think will be a left side MJO (phase 8/1). The extended models’ MJO progs fwiw really do suggest the MJO will be in those phases after 12/15 and those phases along with El Niño would support an Aleutian trough/+PNA:

Looking at the latest TAO 5 day OHC map vs 10 days earlier (ignore the area west of 180 because that doesn’t “count” so to speak), it clearly is warmer with a lot more volume that is warmer (including some that is as much as 2C warmer) than cooler. What’s easiest to see is the volume that is yellow or orange (3C+) is much larger W of 140W on the 11/14-18 map vs the 11/4-8 map. The volume of +5+ is significantly larger on this same map vs the only small volume of +5+ on the older map. The volume of 0 or lower within 165W to 180 is much smaller. So, TAO subsurface is, indeed, at its warmest so far this event and may still be warming further. I very roughly estimate that the 100W-180 OHC on this, which covers 2S to 2N, is +2.0C. I’m assuming that the OHC for 5S to 5N, had it also been available from TAO, is substantially less than +2.0C since I assume that the warmest OHC is closest to the equator. Regardless, it also just about has to be warming and I’m betting is probably close to its warmest yet this event:

- Here we go again with cyclonicwx OISST. No update in two days. - But WCS is up to date in 3.4 with +2.04, the warmest yet. Keep in mind that WCS has recently been 0.08 warmer fwiw. The implication is that cyclonicwx’s OISST might still be more like +1.96 as a wild guess though that would still be close to 2. - WCS PDO remains down at -1.27 with no sign of an impending rise. NOAA is likely -2 or lower. Not what I want to see obviously.

What source do you go by for the subsurface? Whether or not it is the warmest of the event to date depends on the source and latitude domain from what I’ve seen. I’ve been saying it has been the warmest since early November using TAO per my eyes. But the NOAA OHC time series graph is still not as warm as it was in mid June or even in late August. And then to make it more confusing, the NOAA OHC graph has been cooler than the NOAA monthly table.

There has been solid warming in 3.4 last few days (seemingly from the W portion as per TAO) but very likely not with the rapidity that the cyclonicwx.com CRW (posted below) is showing, which is 0.43C in just three days! That’s more like what the much smaller Nino 1+2 sometimes does, not 3+4. Instead, my educated guess is that CRW was much too cool to begin with in having the cooling to +1.55 for several days even while OISST was ~+1.80. @griteaternoted that the dataset he follows, OSTIA, has acted similarly. So, whereas the near +2.0 in CRW is probably pretty accurate, I think what’s happening is that a good portion of this massive 0.43C rise in just three days on CRW was really a correction for showing cooler than reality the prior days.

And if it goes the way it appears to me it may go, MJO will be back to 8/1 W/C Pacific mid Dec+.

Makes sense since the MJO has been W to C Pac so far this month and is forecasted to go into IO (2-3 11/25-12/2).

With the 30+ area growing in 170W-160W (far W Nino 3.4) and the strong WWB just to its west, let’s see what western and possibly central 3.4 does in the near future.

It has been warming in Nino 3, 3.4 and 4, but this is no longer an EP Nino. It has been warming in 3.4 faster than others and cooling in 1+2. Look at the TAO maps I just posted. This transition has occurred earlier than models and I expected. I thought it would take at least another month.

After cooling back the last couple of days to the E, today’s 5 day TAO has for the first time this Nino the +2.5 isotherm (warmest anomaly on this) well to the west…..in the 157-170W region, which is W Nino 3.4 or E Nino 4: look at the strong WWB near 175-165E! It is also cooling some W of the dateline: Compare to 8 days ago, which was warmer E of 140W (warmest of season) and cooler 150-175W; it was then slightly warmer W of the dateline:

At 400 PM EST (2100 UTC), the disturbance was centered near latitude 18.7 North, longitude 77.7 West. The system is moving faster toward the northeast near 17 mph (28 km/h), and an additional acceleration toward the northeast is expected through the weekend. On the forecast track, the system is expected to move across southeastern Cuba tonight and the southeastern Bahamas and Turks and Caicos Islands Saturday morning. Maximum sustained winds are near 35 mph (55 km/h) with higher gusts. Some slight strengthening is possible during the next couple of days, but the system's chance of becoming a tropical cyclone appears to be decreasing. * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...30 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...low...30 percent. The estimated minimum central pressure is 1004 mb (29.65 inches).

Last but not least, the PNA. Although it has been weakly negative so far this month, it is now rising and much of the rest of the month looks like a weak to moderate PNA on the GEFS. That could very well bring the full month PNA to above +0.25, which would mean a legit +PNA. That would make it +PNA in all 6 months of June-Nov. The link below has the monthlies. The only other year since 1950 with that (+0.25+ in all 6 months) was 2021. Barely missing that was 2009, which had one month dip to just below the +0.25 with a +0.21 in November. So, fwiw, 2023 is mirroring 2009 very closely PNAwise. 2023 has also been fairly similar to 2009’s NAO and AO. https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/norm.pna.monthly.b5001.current.ascii.table

Whereas the Euro Weeklies have a strong SPV in late Nov as just posted, the GEFS has a strong -AO for then (similar to late Nov of 2022 and 2021). Interesting:

More can kicking regarding the timing on when the SPV gets weaker than normal on the Euro Weeklies. Back on Nov 1st, they had this occur at the start of Dec or ~30 days out: Today’s run delays it the most yet as it waits til Dec 20th, which is still 30+ days out: When will the can kicking stop? Is this just a mirage or is it real? Do the Euro Weeklies have a bias toward weakening the SPV too much in Dec?

I think “EP-CP mix” and “basin wide” refer to essentially the same thing. I like to call it EP-CP mix because EP and CP are the two main types of El Niño and this is looking like a cross between them. Some prefer to call it basin-wide. I’m just trying to communicate my thoughts as clearly as possible.

Check this out: cyclonicwx’s OISST based Nino 1+2 anomaly cooled substantially and is now down to only +1.852. As just posted, Nino 3.4 just rose to +1.890. Thus, for the first time this El Niño, the Nino 3.4 anomaly is warmer than that for Nino 1+2 (though Nino 3 is still warmer at +2.019). This no longer looks like a pure EP Nino to me as it is more like an EP-CP mix/basin wide Nino:

We didn’t have to wait long at all for the next cyclonicwx.com OISST update as it came out on time this time. So, like the other datasets and the other OISST, the 3.4 anomaly warmed significantly since yesterday (from +1.812 to +1.890) though it is again 0.08 cooler than the +1.97 WCS OISST 3.4 anomaly:

Looking back at the relationship between the peak of weeklies (OISST based) and the peak of trimonthlies/ONI (ERSST based) since 2006-7: 2006: 1.2 v 0.9 2009: 1.9 v 1.6 2014: 0.9 v 0.7 2015: 3.0 v 2.6 2018: 1.1 v 0.9 So, for these last 5 El Niños, the weekly peak has exceeded the trimonthly peak every time (not surprising due to the math, alone, of course even with them based on different datasets). The weekly peak exceeded trimonthly peak between 0.2 and 0.4 with the average being 0.3. This suggests that the weekly peak can end up as warm as +2.3 and still end up at only +1.9 for ONI. Keep in mind that they use different base periods (in addition to them being different datasets) to come up with anomalies.

Do you think it’s possible that heavier than normal cloudcover cooled things off too much/skewed things in the CRW and OSTIA datasets the prior few days and less cloudcover today allowed for the big jump? Doesn’t cloudcover mess with the accuracy of satellite based SST datasets? PS How long before the cyclonicwx OISST updates? I hope we don’t have to wait 8 days again.

TAO 5 day averaged SSTa maps covering 3.4 have recently been cooling back some. But along comes this nonsense from CRW lmao: a warming of 0.17C in 3.4 in one day?? This amount of warming in just one day is laughable/not credible. It was probably too cool the prior day(s):