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Nah the hospitality & airline industry was doing just fine until March. Honestly the bigger issue with this is that a lot of those jobs are "unskilled" and were typical fall back positions during previous downturns. Sure you lost your job but you can now go be a waitress or something. But goodness people in things like hotels & restaurants and their owners are being killed here. That's where this gets bad, you can't fall back onto service industry jobs because they don't exist due to this. That's where this becomes a pit of doom truly. The reason the airline industry is so so so so key is because of its demand for planes. The amount of manufacturing tied up in defense & aerospace is absurd and dwarfs that of the auto industry. If you have your airlines go under we have a real serious problem.

I don't make policy decisions, I just explain the economic ramifications of what is happening. Lol other people can make those decisions accordingly. You have to realize money has no eyes, has no heart, has no soul. You're right though, it is profit over anything. You're taking this personally, and business isn't about emotion, it's about being good. I don't really care about what unions did previously, I care how I can beat their high labor costs & hard protections of employees. Luckily for our company, customers and shareholders I almost always win

To be fair you've learned more than I could ever hope to in meteorology, but as an MBA I have to say you're missing the boat here. There is a need because the market demands it, that literally is how the system works. Businesses just don't randomly invest capital in places, they do so because there is a profitable demand for it based on forecasts. You say "shit happens" but that shit is people losing incomes, retirement packages, benefits & blight growing in our community due to a vacant building. This then depresses the local community & drives values down even more leading to a vicious cycle which is seen everyday in the Rust Belt. Worst of all those small businesses are anchored jobs that cannot be outsourced, which makes them incredibly valuable. For example lets say I have a car parts factory in Detroit, I can easily move it to Mexico, pay in labor & benefits about $25 an hour less & then just turn my Detroit factory into a distribution center where warehouse guys are paid $16 an hour. My profits will go up which allows me to underbid other suppliers and keep the contracts, while the American warehouse adds stability to my supply chain going to the OEM's. This simple example cannot be done with an electrician which pays incredibly well, but obviously I cannot move an electrician from Canton to Monterrey. We can argue all day what should be done, but honestly the economic impact here is similar to what New Orleans was going through on August 28th, 2005 when Hurricane Katrina was eyeing the area. It's just awful impending doom of a worse case scenario that brings nothing but dread. The economies of Illinois, Michigan & New York are not going to suffer from this, they will be destroyed. Literally what I am seeing now frightens me for the Northern states that are already disadvantaged by being union dominated. The flight to the Sun Belt has already been steady to avoid the high costs of union labor & contractors. The American economy's ruthless & lightly regulated nature will allow for a rebound, make no mistake. But the cost of these restrictive lockdowns from a dollars and cents category is almost unfathomable. I've been able to on average cut contractors rates by about 20% in Michigan without any resistance because there's just a complete lack of work. Yesterday I had a landscaper offer to do one of our facilities at half off if I would consider giving him work at a few of our sites in North Carolina as he is planning on closing up in Michigan and moving to the South to avoid going under. It's crazy the difference in conversations I have concerning Chicago & Detroit over Charlotte & Atlanta. Just almost two different economies at this point.

I didn't say it wasn't dangerous, I said it wasn't THAT dangerous. Honestly though I've worked in manufacturing my whole life, and been in some places, especially steel mills, that make coronavirus look like a walk in the park. If I'm not afraid to go into a mine or a steel mill why would I be afraid to board a physically distant aircraft with an N95 mask on? Really though I'm not mad at you or your responses, but I do worry this thing has you in an actual state of intense phobia. You can live your life a little bit and be cautious while doing so. Maybe don't go to Greektown lol but somethings are okay. On the positive side the lack of doing anything is going to help out the old bank account well!

Are you good dude? I'm not even trying to be a jerk, but I worry this thing has you actually in a state of phobia. I hope not but it's not THAT dangerous out there

I wonder how this will go if and when we have one. Like will you be allowed to attend public events unless you get your shot? Will anti vaxxers be barred from just about everything? It's going to be a strange road back

Nah I live in Charleston, SC now. But church, bars & went to the race at Bristol last week

Hahaha I’ve done all of the Moderate-High and half of the High Risk ones. Funny moment actually when I landed at Detroit, this woman absolutely jumped when I sneezed. Haha the jumpiness in some is wild

Ha ya lost me there buddy. To say a low capacity restaurant is worse than a cookout is wild

Thank you! This is why I think Stebo and PurdueWx are missing the boat a bit. Obviously love talking weather with you guys but spending the 4th back up there it’s obvious everyone are having social gathering at their house instead of going out. Truly I feel safer eating with friends at a restaurant where my server is wearing a mask and people are spaced out than at a cookout for 20. But because of shutdown rules my only social options are to do the cookout

I’m not trying to be political? I’m simply saying I feel very uncomfortable at the fact that the government can declare certain occupations illegal due to this virus. PPE is used in heavy manufacturing all the time to keep people safe, even the CDC said if mask wearing was mandatory the spread would fall dramatically within 4-8 weeks. I fail to see why a mask mandate is not the move before complete shutdown? Ultimately things need to be left open because unless you enact martial law you’re not going to stop pool parties, cookouts, weddings, boating events, camping with friends. By and large people have said screw this and are continuing social events with people they know. As long as this is the norm I fail to see how a bar or restaurant closing is going to do much of anything except make those people go broke. In the latest Gallup poll 72% of people wear a mask “Always” or “Very Often” so we are definitely improving! But come on guys get with it, people are running around like crazy this summer. If the US government bans out of state travel, bans any group hangouts at homes & then closes down restaurants/bars/gyms I’d say that’s an idea that while extreme would work. But unless those are done you’re completely delusional thinking closing any businesses is going to actually solve this virus

The liberal intolerance of other opinions is real. Haha I’m at a loss for words

That’s your opinion. I do not believe the government has the ability to mandate these things as it is an overreach. Masks are cool, it’s a good public safeguard, but to declare certain businesses illegal to operate is frightening in my opinion. Again though this is the big government vs small government argument

Thats cool but ultimately it's about building market share & if you become public making money for your shareholders. Those are respectable ideals but money has no eyes, it has no heart, it has no eyes. Sometimes the greatest change you can make is giving someone a check to earn a nice life, and that is something we tend to overlook as a society. I appreciate the banter on here but everyone needs to calm down. We can have an open society with the right PPE, but it requires a mask. At the same time restrictive shutdowns ala Michigan are going to cost that state many of the gains it made following the Great Recession & will accelerate the drive to do business in the Sun Belt. Just not enough balance in a lot of these posts, everyone needs to quit being so hard left & hard right here.

Bingo! The amount of backyard parties right now is wild, especially during fireworks season. People are going to hangout socially, there is no stopping that lol

Had some legit quarter sized hail out by Port Clinton, OH today. Called in to report it and the storm never became severe warned & the report was never added to the report log. Mildly disappointed

Says who? New Gallup poll only shows that 33% of independent voters are concerned about this virus. Lol they probably shouldn't open but let's be honest, the vast majority don't care at this point

Beaches are closed in IL? Good God

Agreed! Hit 96° just south of Toledo yesterday. I notice that the fields feel as though they are on fire, just tons of heat coming off that dry ground

I am LOVING THIS. The lack of humidity is so refreshing

You just repeated what I said lol. But yeah they just won’t enforce that here. Maybe in Michigan but believe me no one will go for that. They haven’t the last few days

But that's the biggest issue. The thing you have to understand is you live in Chicago. At the end of February I moved from just south of Ann Arbor to here in Charleston, SC so I've experienced this entire pandemic here. I cannot relate to the fear in so many of your posts, simply because no one has ever been that concerned with it down here. Not the media, not the government, so how do you expect a Charlestonian to take this as seriously as someone in Chicago or Detroit? Here it's looked down upon for a man to be wearing a mask, and quite frankly a neighbor told me he won't wear one "because he doesn't like it in the backdoor". I live in a nice neighborhood, all households are well earning & most are educated, and yet most simply do not care about it. We have a mask law in place for the entire metro area, and yet it isn't really followed at all

How is it enforced though? Charleston, SC passed a mask law for the entire county, but ultimately business owners throwing people out is the only way this works. That's why the government IS SO STUPID. They should just pass a national mask law and fine the hell out of businesses if patrons are in there maskless. It's the one thing that boggles my mind, liberals want bigger government & universal healthcare, but then reality hits and you get a guy like Donald Trump in charge of it for at least 4 years Enough of this please stuff. If this is that serious then lets see some serious enforcement instead of all this political grandstanding

Nice to know I'm bringing both the Covid and the heat with me from South Carolina for the 4th. One week of golf, lakes, fishing and too much alcohol

Because this thing is becoming less lethal & isn’t much worse than the flu. Our local news did a bit today on how the death rate has not increased at all, and in fact is down from April. Obviously this data doesn’t mean go mask-free, but clearly it’s only killing 10-15 people a day. Similar statistics to the flu quite honestly