Ralph Wiggum

First flakes of the year in Telford. 38F

Pretty much agree with this. I'm not thinking any 'big' storms either unless we luck our way into something. You can already make out what this pattern may look like in general....screaming northern jet, shred factory to anything that tries to come North via the stj, sloppy or late phasing with systems scooting out to our South or blowing up too late favoring S and E in those particular situations. My general thoughts are coldish/unsettled early part of the season thru the 3rd week of Dec, generally seasonal to AN most of the heart of winter with some short-lived bitter cold shots (single digits/teen highs)....in and out sorta thing. If we can time some convoluted blocking we could get something significant (8"+) but thats a roll of the dice and the exception, not the rule. Nickel and diming our way to ~18-20" here in my area. Then a cold and unsettled last 1/3 of Feb into early March.

Wooly caterpillars agree. Dozens around...short black head, long brown body, short black tail end. Cold start, seasonal/avg middle with a 'thaw', and cold tail end. If you believe that sort of thing. Would fit Nina climo as well.

Can we pull off a November 1987 redux?? Im going to say just enjoy it for this 1 run

Buckle up friend....gonna be a long winter of rug pulls

Oh hell no, Im not dealing with this all winter. No patience.

Ahhh the Feb 89 debacle. Sophomore in high school. Schools shut down night prior in anticipation. Me and my buddy split a quarter of some good afghani bud. Started walking around the town 8AM. By 11AM we thought maybe we were both just really stoned but there wasnt a snowflake to be had and sun was poking thru. Stopped off for pizza at noon and the workers said we dodged one but the shore was getting hit. Mega pissed. We smoked the rest of our stash and enjoyed our day off, but it was still a huge letdown.

Beautiful Noreaster....sun is out in Telford, gentle breeze.....beautiful fall football weather

That was such a textbook Nina style rug pull leading up to this crud storm. Can't make this stuff up.

I have some ideas but not going to unleash them yet.

Pretty sure this won't be neutral. But what do I know? (restrain yourselves from answering that last part, ty)

Classic Nina rug pull?

If this was winter, being a Nina, a good chunk of us would know getting a clean flush phase isnt usually in the cards. Going to be a long winter for ppl that hug the long range stuff.

Early September Southern Canada Blizzard with a strong hurricane pounding Texas at the same time. Sign me up...only 384 hrs out.

Beware the Ides of August.