powderfreak

Still shoveling that GGEM snow. Looks like the coldest and best possible solution with good front side snows and good upslope...Mansfield Medley in between.

That's always been my thought process. The Lake is too narrow to really get any pure lake effect going with the exception of those due north winds that can sometimes bring pure lake effect into parts of Addison and northern Rutland County. But at the same time having a 7 mile wide body of water in a basin upstream of the Northern Greens certainly can't "hurt" by any means. The best lake effect/upslope combo IMO is usually MRG and Sugarbush area... they can get some actual streamers going once upslope gets factored in.

A few tenths overnight in town but 3” on the upper mountain in the snow belt. About 1.5” at 1500ft. Snow cam looks like it happened fast.

That is 2015, just for the record. Not sure if it matters but it's at least white and wintry looking on the view.

Yeah it’s not idea but in an odd way it keep visitations down which is a good thing given state guidelines and companies guidelines. It’s not as bad as that photo from 2015 but it’s crazy to think about how (relatively) crowded it would feel in a COVID season with everyone trying to run safely. Starting to drift off-topic but let's hope we see some change or shake up to get things more winter/active.

The only thing that makes it ok is that the yard has had a surprising number of days of snow cover (not depth) for such an overall sh*t start to winter. Several unexpected snowy days, but no big storms since Nov 2-3 when 10" fell. That's almost two months ago at this point. But then again there is this photo from the holiday period in 2015 when we opened the summer attractions (zip line tours actually launching from 3,600ft). That winter of 15-16 is still tracking to be much worse, ha.

Yeah we have light rain in town but light snow is falling up the road. Great snowball snow tonight as the fluff has compacted to 2-3” of wet snow now...my dog loves chasing snow balls. Good replacement for a tennis ball.

BML... 42F MVL... 40F MPV... 39F BTV... 41F Mild evening in some NNE ASOS sites.

That is true... even if we get a Grinch storm, it seems like after heading into early January we get some blast of arctic air mixed in there. The lack of great snowmaking weather has been very noticeable at the ski areas. Even if it doesn't snow, there's usually some arctic shots between them. I don't think the general public likes arctic air between warm ups, but it usually leads to good snowmaking and terrain expansion. This season it's like hey, after each cutter we'll give you 36-48 hours of decent but not fantastic snowmaking temperatures before having to shut it off again. Snowmaking generally needs wet-bulbs of 25-26F to get appreciable accumulation, and this is the summit station with the near 850mb temperatures. Often warmer below that.

What's worse: rock solid frozen bare ground at 0F while BWI to PHL get a couple big snowstorms, or bare ground at 40F while it doesn't snow anywhere?

Yeah your area does really well in CCB's... same with the Green Mountain Spine (J.Spin and ski resorts) and western slopes. When you can get that solid mid-level lift to overlay with strong NW orographic flow there's like a seeder-feeder mechanism on crack. It can wring out some big QPF. Anytime you can get upslope flow going on underneath strong synoptic lift it's going to be a good time, ha.

That is 100% true in every single event, ha. Synoptic storms have so many more variables than just "wind flow, moisture, mountains".

Agreed, that front side should favor your part of NNE and backside upslope probably more likely to be productive over this way. Locally, I’m always hesitant with a warm tongue aloft that it will be more mix and less snow than models show. Or it could be like some of them that show just straight ZR to RN on the front end.

Yeah, some snow to ice to rain back to snow. Better looking backside upslope signature too.

Pretty decent snowfall burst up here at Mansfield too.

Yeah it will likely take Phin a few winters to get relaxed with however events may play out and the NNE weather vibe. He’s still in that Maryland mind set where everything is a snow/winter competition. Like if a trackable forum event doesn’t work out, there are other ways to get a plowable snowfall.

It’ll be fun to see how both camps react for entertainment... seems both sides of the coin have locked in their solutions at some substantial lead times, ha. Rain or winter. Forecasts locked in.

Been watching the game... love snow football. I’ve got Rodgers and Adams on my fantasy team. Looks like I’ll come in 3rd this season. Won $1100 last season on the 12-friends $100 buy-in. Adams and Rodgers best tandem in the league... in the snow... on Sunday night. Fun combo.

Just melted the recent snowfall that fell in the larger Stratus cylinder... found 0.23" water and measured 4.75" cumulative (20.7 to 1 ratio). 4.25" board clearing last evening and then between last night and today another 0.5". Our garden has a couple tables in it, so I use one to clear and one to leave alone, and the one left alone has 3.5" on it... so has settled about an inch in the past 24 hours.

Aren’t those just QPF as ZR? Or do they use an actual algorithm for accumulating ice? I get the QPF as ice, just like QPF as snow is essentially what a snow map is but move the decimal point over.

It’s called the NNE winter thread lol. Start a thread for that event so a few of us can talk to each other like we do in that one?

Ha we already have I feel like. Did it with a lot less liquid!

Yeah I seem pretty spot on with that site in say a 10:1 nor’easter or small flake dense snow. But he always has the lowest ratios around in these for some reason. 3” of depth and if he had 0.7” settlement like your site and I had more snow overnight but depth never changed.. 3.7” would be a more plausible new snow. Ill see what the cars at home have on them in our lot even after a day of settling, but there was 4”+ on the neighbors car when I left this morning and 4.5” in the yard like your site and the others to the east in that band. But that lower village site seems to capture the correct water on the whole, which is what always puzzles me.

Mansfield Magic... a healthy 6”.

I still wonder how the Stowe Lower Village CoCoRAHS guy measures and gets such low ratios all winter long. I'm always higher than him in inches of snow but very similar in liquid amounts. His ratios are always much lower than everywhere else from what I see. You can see this morning's reports with the total water of 0.20-0.25" spots from the Adirondacks and eastern VT yielded 4-5.5" of snow (which is what I saw for snowfall at my place). But for some reason his 0.21" water only got 2.8" snow. Even the places that got 0.10" water were 2.8" snow. Or 0.14" water for 3.2". This is why my snowfall totals are so much higher in terms of inches from that guy, but the water is right. I just can't figure it out, unless he measures on some surface that melts from below or something. The water almost always lines up but like I estimated last night, it was 20:1 ratios at least, which would've given him the same 4"+ and the same ratios as everyone else.