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Not to keep piling on the facts but: From 1894 to 1909 Coatesville averaged 48.0" of snow vs West Chester at 40.3 (+19% difference) For the entire period of record with Mr Gordon as observer (1894 to 1930) - Coatesville averaged 40.8" of snow vs West Chester at 32.3" (+26%) For the entire period of common records (89 years) 1894 to 1982 (prior to the move to the higher elevation) - Coatesville averaged 31.0" vs West Chester at 26.1" (+19%) Yes it does snow more in Coatesville vs. West Chester and for that matter all other long running stations in Chester County

Facts presented just to keep this real and not let our LVwx post fake facts - I went back and did an analysis of all daily snow totals 1894 to 1909 against just 1 other Chester County station (West Chester) - the facts are Coatesville in reality actually reported LESS daily snow totals compared to West Chester on 70 days during that time frame 1894 to 1909.....last time I checked my math 70 times is not the every single time our LV friend imagined above.

To really illustrate the incredible variability in snow totals over very short distances. .I went back and captured just a few of some recent events and the approximate distance between reporting sites - using only final storm event NWS PNS reports from official observing sites and or trained spotters - some examples are 1 foot differences over just 6 short miles Jan 24, 2016 - Malvern PA 30.1" vs. Kennett Square 15.3" (16 miles) (+14.8") Feb 10, 2010 - East Nantmeal 26.8" vs. East Bradford 14.5" (6 miles)(+12.3") Feb 6, 2010 - Chester Springs 24.1" vs. East Nantmeal 18.3" (4.5 miles) (+5.8") vs. ABE Airport (7.7") = 16.4" December 30, 2000 - PHL 9" vs Glenmoore PA 1" - (28 miles)

LVwxHistorian certainly is far from civil....at the very least seems to like to insult folks. Fortunately he is an outlier from the typical respectful conversations we typically have here! It really is quite easy to have a fact based discussion which is all I provide to support the data. I have validated with surrounding data as good as we can find that the long standing records have stood the test of time for a reason. We cannot find enough data to overturn so we shall stick with the records as currently documented by long standing weather service/bureau observers.

Hi Matt - no doubt there is orographic lift that occurs which is why the western burbs report and average more snow than many areas further north. Folks can argue about snow totals but subtle changes of elevation and banding/convective elements in individual storms can make huge differences. So difficult to try and go back and rewrite history even 10 years after the fact....100 years later forget about it.....

I am sure there will be no changes to any records....not after 120 years! These records have stood the test of time!! I see KS reported 32" in the Feb 1899 storm - 2ft...3 ft either way a lot of snow fell in the county with typical large variability in individual storms as I have shown in the research

First Snow climatology for Chester County PA 12/6 = Average 1st measurable snow 10/29 - earliest 1/28/72 - latest (note no snow at all for 1972-73 (no snow fell between 2/24/72 and 12/17/73) December first snow = 62 times / November 1st snow - 48 times / January 1st snow - 14 times / October 1st snow - 2 times

Do you think folks get a little excited about snow? My Chester County Weather Facebook page has added 1,200 followers since yesterday!!

Good stuff!! really enjoying the research - I have also forwarded all the corroborating data to NCEI - plus still finding even more examples- plenty of food for thought for them!!

HI Birds - you are correct thanks for the kind words! most appreciated. My wife has tolerated my weather hobby for a long time - I tell her there are many worse hobbies a guy could have!!

Agreed!! If you follow the rules it is of course not difficult. All that said - snow measurements are always one of the more difficult numbers to get your arms around.....and the NWS knows this very well. I take a lot of time and effort to be accurate as one of my friends at the NWS Mount Holly Tony Gigi once recommended me for an article for the Inquirer after the big snows of February 2010. The reporter that came to my house for the interview told me they were told - that I was "mighty strong" in my efforts to produce accurate snowfall measurements. I try to live up to those standards!!

LV you of course do not need a newspaper to corroborate reported weather data....since all a local Coatesville paper would have reported would have been what Mr Gordon would have reported to the US Department of Agriculture - Weather Bureau which was the NWS back then....the record is real, validated by high totals in surrounding locations relatively close to the station so time to let this one go my man!! Snowfall measurements are and will continue to be the most variable of weather measurements. We cannot 125 years after the fact try to cancel out what the weather service viewed as valid enough to publish and make part of our climate records because you think the 29" should have been 20.2"

Hi Mike you know how much I love this stuff! I love to dig into all this data. Who knows maybe I should call myself the ChescowxHistorian - I don't know anyone who has done more research and purchased more NWS data then me in the last 25 years focused on Chesco Wx!

HI LV attached is the American Meteorological Society snowfall map for April 1894 published in May 1894. You can clearly see the 33" line of snow entering Chester County PA - clear weather service evidence to support the Coatesville snowfall for April 1894. This is fun!!

Here's the 1st newspaper article mentioning almost 20" of snow in South Central PA in that very April 1894 storm - again clear confirmation it is a reasonable snowfall total for Coatesville - again! https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2018/04/07/snow-april-yes-18-inches-fell-1894-central-pa/494402002/

I assumed you were like I a trained NWS spotter If so I suspect you know but if you need a refresher - "Measure and record the greatest amount of snowfall that has accumulated on your snowboard (wooden deck or ground if board is not available) since the previous snowfall observation. This measurement should be taken minimally once-a-day but can be taken up to four times a day, (every 6 hours) and should reflect the greatest accumulation of new snow observed (in inches and tenths, for example, 3.9 inches) since the last snowfall observation. Snowfall amounts can be measured hourly or at any interval as long as the snow measurement board is NOT cleared more frequently than once every 6 hours. If you are not available to watch snow accumulation at all times of the day and night, use your best estimate, based on a measurement of snowfall at the scheduled time of observation along with knowledge of what took place during the past 24 hours. If you are not present to witness the greatest snow accumulation, input may be obtained from other people who were near the station during the snow event. If your observation is not based on a measurement, record in your remarks that the "snow amount based on estimate". Remember, you want to report the greatest accumulation since the last observation. If snowfall occurred several times during the period, and each snowfall melted either completely or in part before the next snowfall, record the total of the greatest snowdepths of each event and enter in your remarks "snowfall melted during the OBS period". For example, three separate snow squalls affect your station during your 24-hour reporting day, say 3.0, 2.2, and 1.5 inches. The snow from each event melts off before the next accumulation and no snow is on the ground at your scheduled time of observation. The total snowfall for that reporting 24-hour day is the sum of the three separate snow squalls, 6.7 inches, even though the snow depth on your board at observation time was zero."

It clearly highlights the incredible variability within only 9 miles in Chester County. As you move from SE to NW across this county you see wide swings in snowfall totals = with much more (actually equal to Chicago IL on an annual snow basis in Western Chesco) compared to Eastern Chesco. This is part of the reason the NWS a few years back split the zone East and West. Those Coatesville historical obs are clearly accurate and within the realm of variability based on the unique climatology of Chester County

Now LV to put a fine point on this great discussion Recent Annual Actual snow reports by NWS Trained observers - East Nantmeal Twp PA (EN) vs West Chester PA (WC) (only 9.1 miles apart) to highlight some years with great variability over less than 10 miles 2017 - EN 34.9" / WC 15.8" 2013 - EN 32.6" / WC 18.8" 2012 - EN 21.3" / WC 11.2" 2010 - EN 72.4" / WC - 53.0" 2007 - EN 29.6" / WC - 13.6"

It's on the NWS PNS reports still available on the NWS site https://www.weather.gov/phi/eventsummarymain Also in nautical or straight miles my station is precisely 35.1 miles from ABE

Also maybe we should look at why Coatesville's observer Mr Gordon only reported 51.4" of snow in 1895 while West Chester reported a whopping 79.4" - LOL!! The variations are just too great to try and question long standing historical observations!

LV again just to highlight the incredible variability in reported snow totals and highlight how difficult it is to disprove higher totals. Back in February 2010 - ABE airport reported 42.9" of snow for the month - Here in East Nantmeal Twp in Chester County only 35 miles SW of that spot a NWS trained spotter (me) recorded 62.8"of snow a 20" difference over 30+ miles in 1 month - a 48% variance!

LV again just to highlight the incredible variability in reported snow totals and highlight how difficult it is to disprove higher totals. Back in February 2010 - ABE airport reported 42.9" of snow for the month - Here in East Nantmeal Twp in Chester County only 35 miles SW of that spot a NWS trained spotter (me) recorded 62.8"of snow a 20" difference over 30+ miles in 1 month - a 48% variance!

Still you are dead wrong for calling anyone a name. He was a solid long standing reported for the weather service for at least 36 years! show some respect please

LV - it simply points out the variability in snow totals over short distances. I will post some real doozies between here and surrounding locations just in the past 15 years along with the rest of the data I am analyzing. Thanks!

Thanks Mike! I originally ordered Mr. Gordon's hand written obs from the NCDC back in the late 90's for 1894 to 1930 - he was very thorough and we should not disparage his work. I think the fact we are finding 50" plus snow totals for February at the NJ shore is plenty of validation for Coatesville - since we will never be able to review the radar to determine banding and/or if any convective components such as the Christmas 1966 blizzard etc. Thanks!!