michsnowfreak

It is indeed a massive difference. Even Apr 15 to Apr 20 is a huge difference. In 130 years of record (since 1891) Toledo has seen a 1"+ snowfall only 4 times on or after April 20. 4.0" Apr 23-24, 2005 4.0" May 9, 1923 2.0" Apr 21, 1922 1.3" May 6-7, 1989 In 140 years of record (since 1881) Detroit has seen a 1"+ snowfall only 8 times on or after April 20. 6.0" May 9, 1923 5.0" May 21-22, 1883 4.3" Apr 23-24, 2005 3.0" Apr 29, 1909 1.7" Apr 23-24, 1967 1.5" May 13, 1912 1.2" Apr 20, 1947 1.0" Apr 22, 1911 *Note. per newspaper reports Toledo saw 3" during the unprecedented May 21/22 1883 storm, but records did not yet exist.

Looking like extreme SE MI will get in on the snow band. The question is, how much accumulation?

Hilarious isn't the word I'd use lol. But actually, last spring each accumulating snowfall of April 15, April 17, and May 10 hit the southeast burbs of Detroit harder than north.

I'm surprised you still had leaves on the trees on Thanksgiving! We did have some late clinging colorful leaves Nov 11, 2019 which was surreal with 9" of snow. Spring-wise, the late green up in 2020 meant only the early flowers were up for the snows of Apr 15 & 17, and while the trees had begun by the May 10th snow, it melted in a few hours.

One more to add. May 21-22, 1883: 5.0” April 29, 1909: 3.0” April 22, 1911: 1.0” May 13, 1912: 1.5” May 9, 1923: 6.0” Apr 20, 1947: 1.2" April 23-24, 1967: 1.7” April 23-24, 2005: 4.3”

Are you referring to Nov 11, 2019?

wait until it gets closer to see the track

That sort of happened here on April 15th last year. Very heavy burst of snow midday dropped about 1.5" for an instant Winter wonderland. By evening it was back to Spring. On April 17th however, the 3.4" that fell was an absolute Winter wonderland in the morning and it did turn slushy late in the day however we still had about 2" left that froze solid. So the morning of the 18th you could walk on 2" of ice crust . By afternoon however Spring had returned

A lesser known, less widespread, but even more impressive snowfall hit May 21st 22nd 1883. It is by far the latest measurable snowfall Detroit. It appears that the accumulating snow was confined to Southeast Michigan and Ohio. Reports include 5" at Detroit, 3" at Toledo, and 1.5" at Cincinnati. Due to this being in the early days of weather records there is not too much written about the storm other than what was the newspaper's, but it was noted that the snow did cause damage to the fully leafed trees. Detroits top 10 largest post-Apr 20 snowfalls on record...140 years of record...indeed this could be historic. 6.0" - May 9, 1923 5.0" - May 21/22, 1883 4.3" - Apr 23/24, 2005 3.0" - Apr 29, 1909 1.7" - Apr 23/24, 1967 1.5" - May 13, 1912 1.2" - Apr 20, 1947 1.0" - Apr 22, 1911 0.5" - May 10, 2020 0.5" - Apr 20, 1943 0.5" - May 10, 1902

wow..they are all in!

It was noted in the newspaper articles that vegetation was behind schedule so there was not excessive damage due to the storm. Here's a picture from grand circus park in Detroit, May 9, 1923

As we all know I'm not a spring lover, but I do love the white flowering pear trees (even though they smell like semen lmao), weeping cherry blossoms, and red buds.

Weatherbell has tons of neat features both short and long range, including weeklies, monthlies, etc. Snow maps are only one of them, I didn't realize pivotal had euro snow maps. If I was more into severe weather I'd totally keep a year round subscription. Kuchera maps are almost always too high, but then 10-1 is often too low in winter. The Feb 15-16 storm was 2 wave, generally 1-2" with wave 1 and 6-10" with wave 2. So while many areas eeked into double digits for the 2 day totals (10.4" dtw, 11.0" here, 12.0" monroe) it was debatable if it should be referred to as 1 or 2 events. It was 2+9 here fwiw.

They always are. I do think that staffing is different during the pandemic, but still. They take a conservative approach 75%+ of the time. I can recall numerous winter weather advisories that were upgraded to warnings.

I cancelled my weatherbell subscription until the fall, it ended on April 14th lol. Did not think I would need to see anymore euro snow maps, but anyone that has them, please feel free to post in the coming days.

It is beyond annoying, but we see this every single year, sometimes with early season events but always with late season events. It does not matter what kind of model agreement there is, the nws greatly ignores unusual snow potential until/unless the event is literally occurring. I completely understand skepticism for accumulating snow so late in the season, but to always do the magic "rain during the day, rain possibly mixed with snow at night" thing is just pointless. Especially since a front is moving through.

The November one was truly probably once in a lifetime type of storm. Not just because 8-12" fell, but because it was powder and followed by record smashing cold never before seen so early in the season. And then wouldn't you know it ended up a mild Winter. You probably got between 6 and 7" on January 18th but it was an overnight thump so you probably slept through it, then it turned to rain as the storm tracked while West, we lost a few inches of depth, then it froze up. https://www.weather.gov/dtx/200118winterstorm

I forgot you missed all of the snow this year. There were 2 6+ events last year, November 11th & January 18th, though obviously November 11th was far more impressive for the date. Is that the one you missed? Only 1 6+ event this year, tho it was generally a good 9-11", and the mid snowpack in February was much more impressive than anything seen last winter. Also the Feb 4 thunp was the best non-les rates you'll ever see here.. All the said,, I HIGHLY doubt we can pull off a 6+ event in late April but accumulating snow is certainly looking more likely.

That is no worse than when a warm spell is attributed to global warming. The weather is the weather and the general public will never "get it".

Hey now! I post year round. Just less frequently the boring half of the year

Thanks! it was sweet. A heavy band set up, DTW went down to like 1/16 mile or something like that. Very surreal being out in it on April 17. Full pic below.

I didn't realize Madison hasn't seen any snow in April. Records began in 1884, and only 6 times did April see 0.0 snow. Ironically 4 of the 6 saw a T in May. So the only 2 times that 0.0 snow was seen after March was 1901 and 1981. The earliest last flakes for MSN were Mar 10, 1901. Chicago has also seen 0.0 snow in April, they have had 10 April's on record with 0.0 snow, and also several of them saw a T in May. The earliest last flakes for Chicago are Mar 9, 1946. Here in Detroit, we saw 0.1" on Apr 1 and a T on Apr 15, but fwiw our earliest last flakes are Mar 11, 1946.

Last year southern WI just missed a few snows to their south and east in later April. These are pics I took last April/May.

Bring it on. For Detroit, the records for the days in question: April 20: Record snow: 1.2" (1947) - Record low: 20° (1897) - Record low max: 36° (1953) April 21: Record snow: 0.3" (1978) - Record low: 21° (1875) - Record low max: 39° (1875) April 22: Record snow: 1.0" (1911) - Record low: 20° (1875) - Record low max: 38° (2020) 24 of 140 years on record have seen measurable snow on or after April 20, however only 11 times on record have seen a snowfall of 0.5"+ on or after April 20th. May 10, 2020: 0.5" Apr 23/24, 2005: 4.3" Apr 23/24, 1967: 1.7" Apr 20, 1947: 1.2" Apr 20, 1943: 0.5" May 9, 1923: 6.0" May 13, 1912: 1.5" Apr 22, 1911: 1.0" Apr 29, 1909: 3.0" May 10, 1902: 0.5" May 21/22, 1883: 5.0"

Measurable snow on or after April 20th this century at Detroit: May 10, 2020: 0.5" Apr 20, 2013: 0.1" May 3, 2005: 0.1" Apr 24, 2005: 3.1" Apr 23, 2005: 1.3"