michsnowfreak

I see the term "pig" often. I know its not good, but what exactly is it lol?

He seems like a super intelligent dude, but I feel like the absent-minded scrolling of forum posts screeches to a halt when I come across one of his posts and I have to really, really concentrate on what hes trying to say.

Yeah its a glacier. This was this morning when i woke up to nasty rain. The big glacier piles everywhere will remain...but how much snow will?

Excellent analysis OHweather. Keeping hopes alive for a wintry Feb. And as for snow climo, tomorrow is the climatological halfway point of the snow season at Detroit. Half of the snow should have fallen, with half to come, so we pretty much are right at the midpoint now. As has been said, weve done fine from a snowfall total perspective, but not from a sustained winter one.

One last thing Ill say on the subject, is that lake effect snow here, far outside the belts, growing up, always meant lots of flurries and the occasional snow shower where you might get lucky and dust up a few tenths. However, the past decade or so we have seen multiple les bands drop snow in inches, not tenths, into southeast MI. They happen almost yearly, including a few crazy instances of 6"+ (I have not been lucky enough to be in those bands lol). I N-E-V-E-R saw LES of that "magnitude" make it to this portion of the state when I was a kid (Ive been a weather watcher since the age of 11 or so, ie, early to mid-1990s). FYI, heres average seasonal snowfall & snowcover per decade at Detroit & Chicago, 2 Great Lakes cities outside the belts and on opposite sides of Lake MI. DECADAL SNOWFALL AND 1”+ SNOWCOVER DAYS DETROIT CHICAGO 2010s 49.9” 53 days 42.7” 44 days 2000s 45.3” 51 days 38.5” 45 days 1990s 37.9” 37 days 33.5” 36 days 1980s 45.2” 47 days 38.1” 45 days 1970s 45.6” 57 days 55.6” 56 days 1960s 31.8” 57 days 44.6” 48 days 1950s 37.8” 47 days 38.2” 38 days 1940s 27.8” 48 days 33.7” 42 days 1930s 32.9” 44 days 30.9” 32 days 1920s 46.1” 49 days 27.3” 32 days 1910s 39.6” 59 days 31.2” 49 days 1900s 46.3” 36.6” 1890s 43.2” 1880s: 43.1” As for the belts, Ill be on Lake Superior in Munising Feb 16-19, so BRING IT!

I certainly hope it changes for the better for all of us. What i do find encouraging for the remaining 3 months of the potential snow season is that we have now locally 4 very unusually moisture laden storms this cold season. Nov 11/12 (hvy snow) Dec 28/29 (hvy rain) Jan 10-12 (hvy rain, ended as ice/snow) Jan 18 (hvy snow, ended as ice/rain) It would not be uncommon to see just one such storm (moisture wise) the entire winter season, and weve seen 4 at the halfway point. Again, all of this does not mean good will happen. Just as a cold pattern does not guarantee good clippers (which would be our savior in a suppresion pattern). This is FAR from the winter of my dreams, but locally it could certainly be worse, so what else can you do but take your chances moving forward?

Im not the best with indicies...all i know is if it remains active in the dead of winter and there's no torch (which there is not), can easily have more snow fun.

The ensembles have once again returned to a colder pattern beginning in early Feb. Lets see if this time sticks. I do like how it looks to remain active, might as well try and luck into another nice snowstorm lol.

It would be a lot of work to get all the data, too bad we dont have climo experts in the area. As far as measurment techniques, i remember years ago i asked a local met about the every 6 hours method and he stated that its been in place as long as he can remember (1960s) but for first order stations the practice has been in place as long as is remembered. However If a lake belt location only measured once a day that would definitely show up as less, as so much of their snow is super fluffy. So what you would need to do is look at a first order station. Coops will have more errors and variance. Another way to do it is to look at daily snow depth.

Snowfall is absolutely increasing in the Great Lakes. Detroit just finished its snowiest decade on record, and without all the numbers in front of me I imagine most of the Lake belts did as well.

A very small (inhabitable) portion of the world would satisfy you lol. Its actually a nice winter day here, everything blanketed in snow, temps remain below freezing.

Jokes aside, I always explain to people that if we were always above average or always below average, then average would not be average.

I notice that in milder winters, i really maximize my time outdoors when there is the deep winter feel. Ive been outside more the past week than i am in a month during the heat of summer. . Ive also seen city workers trying to chip away at some of the corner snowbanks. It will be interesting to see how long these glaciers last.

Actually the gfs schooled the euro on one of our systems. All the models have been horrible.

Beautiful Winter day today. Took a nice long hike at the park, the crisp Winter air is always invigorating to me.

I did not say the word Michiganders, but that is entirely what i meant. It was not meant to be taken the way you took it. I would never imply the entire sub unless I say as much, since we span the northern reaches of MI to southern KY, thats a huge range.

Snow showers off and on yesterday added 0.4" fresh snow. Beautiful sunrise on a cold mid winter morning today. This is the weather ive been waiting for!

I agree! Due to the extreme water content, the snowbanks are far more impressive than would typically be seen for this amount of snow. Some of them are downright massive, making smaller parking lots look like the mall lol.

Ummm, I was replying to canucks comment and agreeing, and what I meant was that some people (esp snow weenies) here, IN MICHIGAN, have acted like we have had no winter, when in reality now between 20 and 30" has fallen in most of southeast MI this season, albeit in a very frustrating pattern for the snowcover lovers like myself. That reference did not mean "some people in this subforum". And yes, I cant recall a single clipper. Our season to date measurable snow wise, we have had 2 warning snowstorms and some LES squalls and frontal snows. I much prefer clippers, cold, and white, but if this is what it is, bring on the next warning snow.

I agree 100%. Last winter was a rather lackluster one for total snowfall, but between the ice storms and the long lasting cold, some considered it a "long winter", whereas winters where we had 2 feet more snow but less cold weren't looked at as "long".

I agree. For me, being a cold and snow cover lover, it HAS been very frustrating. However, some people act like there's been no Winter at all, yet DTW is at 21.4" on the season, above average to date. The climatological halfway point of the snow season is Jan 26.

After the heavy snow, rain and sleet mixed in followed by drizzle the rest of the afternoon. Temperatures warmed into the upper 30s, peaking at T39/D37. The snow compacted a decent amount, and is now froze into a solid block about 4" deep, more in some spots, though it looks more with all the plowed snow. The huge snow banks everywhere are like boulders. Both this and the November snowstorm had in excess of 0.8" liquid in the DTW tipping bucket. A fresh dusting of snow fell overnight, needless to say it is they went to wonderland this morning with the cold wind howling.

An exact match to the DTW total

Finished with 7.0" of snow, which was followed by sleet and rain. Has compacted to a DENSE 5.5" or so depth. Shoveling was a cardiac chore. Cars stuck and waterladen snowbanks everywhere. DTW had 6.8". As Stebo said, 5-8" call for SE MI was money, with a lot of reports in the 6-7" range.

I think they reported 10" on nov 11th. I was shocked. I will give him benefit of the doubt as this was time sensitive, a heavy thump, and hes on the east side. We will see what he reports tomorrow!