michsnowfreak

Great post. Happy Thanksgiving all!

A very interesting tweet considering this thread is page after page from mostly the same group of mets and their clear biases. I don't even know who most of them are but by this thread alone as soon as I see the name I can guess where it's going. Also as an aside...speaking of "colder snowier" winters in the east, I imagine that the line is drawn somewhere near Boston where temps, troughs and ridges arent the end all. Obviously winter lovers want snow AND cold. But even in warm winters places north of 40N can get plenty of snow. Saw nearly 40" in Detroit last winter in a MUCH warmer than normal winter. I feel like a lot of bad luck hit the east coast in addition to warmth and that's fresh in people minds. Part of the fun is that each winter is full of unknowns and this one has even more than usual.

It's almost a given that this Winter will be better for them than last year for them. I think this winter will be colder here than last winter. Snow is the wild card

You can get something similar with a paid subscription to WeatherBell (among other neat stuff), but ive not found anything free.

It's actually tiresome that this has to literally be stated as a preface anytime someone challenges one of the more off the wall predictions, statements, or even interpretations regarding climate.

To be fair they actually do give reasoning many times though. It's a lot more than some here do. Like stebo said, absolutely no way to know what December in its entirety will bring. But I'd bet on something changeable.

Interesting. I wonder if they have stats on how cloudy October was? I'd say it had to be up there. Most stations don't do % of sun anymore.

If I had to pick the absolute worst winter to experience here all things considered, it would likely be 1881-82, 1889-90, 1918-19. Not sure if any were ninos. I would say 1982-83 was worse than 1997-98, and both were worse than 2015-16.

Based on?

What station is that?

This year isn't behaving like a usual nino anyway. Let's take things one step at a time

November has been very benign. After starting with a dusting of snow on the ground, there has been quite a bit of sun.

Bite your tongue (unless Jan-Feb 2015 follow)

From the new England forum, it appears December starts cold before a few weeks flip to milder then colder and stormier towards Christmas.

In 18-19 there was a record cold snap during the dead of Winter in the midwest, nino and all.

That sounds like 2 weeks behind here. Is it common on the lakeshore? I'd guess the same is seen in terms of a delay in spring blooming?

Last year was an earlier than normal leaf drop here. 2021 was late.

It's bare here. Outside a rogue oak or Bradford pear

It's crazy to think the historic winter of 2013-14 is at its 10th anniversary.

Yes, I remember that as well. keep in mind, we still see clippers every winter. Just not as many as we used to. As long as we get more snow in the end it's all good though lol. Don't forget about February 1-2, 2022 and then again February 17, 2022. How on earth you did not get over 4 inches then I have no idea lol.

Yes. That was a good clipper season for sure.

We have gotten some, but they definitely have been less than years ago. The 1980s-90s were clipper heyday. Funny thing about the 1990s is that the 21st century has been much snowier but with noticeably less clippers.

Its a wonderful tradition. I could never not do it. They last a while when cut fresh (usually 5-6 weeks) but I've never had it grow. Then again, mine already touches the ceiling as soon as it goes up.

One of my favorite yearly traditions is going to cut down the Christmas tree the day after Thanksgiving. Would be extra fun if it was snowing.

Sad news from the Keewenaw. This guy loved snow possibly more than anyone, and had quite a following. http://www.keweenawreport.com/news/obituary-john-paul-dee/?fbclid=IwAR1EB8u8X4Wo769NhiuNuEeLnbiy-D9ojNpFOTopLmR1QogIgY0sEqd5dp8