Dark Star

and let's just hope it was from a spark, not that it really matters...

Exactly. Thats what controlled burns are designed to do. I think they also just lifted their ban on using ocean water to fight forest fires?

You are both correct...

So you are saying that the winds in the deep south were the same as the NYC metro area? And that the core of the cold air dropped south, west of the northeast coast, which is not uncommon, since places like Atlanta are farther west and the southern coast tapers westward. I was also told that the night time temperatures in NW New Jersey had bigger temperature drops at night. Surely they are closer to the Great Lakes?

Looks like I have to go back to school. I could have sworn one of the basic principles is that it is warmer in the day and colder at night? The sun provides light and heating. Without the sun, the warmth collected during the day radiates upwards into space (at night). Sometimes this isn't so, depending upon timing of fronts, clouds, inversions, etc. And wind. Wind retards radiational cooling at night. Now if you live on the ocean, I could see the heat from the water moderating temperatures a bit at night. However, I usually see Bayville NJ colder many nights than Garwood NJ. Bayville is right on the water and about 50 miles south, Garwood is inland about 10 miles. If the Great Lakes are tempering our night time temperatures all the way down to the NYC burbs, it should equally temper the day time temperatures? I realize eastern Canada has not yet seen true arctic air, but it doesn't matter if it is land or lake temperatures. A large lake can affect nearby areas at night, but not all the way down here. It is the air temperatures in general. We have not had much chance at radiational cooling at night, predominantly because of the strong sustained winds.

Could be, but still not sold. Overnight temps in northeast Jersey did not drop as much due to the relentless winds, inhibiting radiational cooling.

Basketball is structured where you can't play defense. If a shooter's follow through hits your outstretched arms, its a foul on the defense?

Since we are on the "banter" post, I will share my feelings on baseball in steroids. Baseball, of all the major sports, seemed to be the one were individual efforts could be the most quantitated. Because of that, I think you could compare generation to generation. Steroids ruined the mathematics. No longer can you play simulation computer games based on statistics (to compare generations). The steroid era will always have the dominant hitters (in general). My calculations estimated that steroids increased your production by about 33%. People who did not want to question the steroid era would say that steroids did not hit home runs. That the hardest thing in sports is to hit a baseball. While the latter is true, steroids did increase home run production, as well as your batting average. When Congress held its "steroid hearings" everyone interviewed on the panel were "obvious" steroid users (Congress probably had the "anonymous" testing results when they assembled the witness panel) except for Palmeiro and Schilling. Even though Palmeiro had not increase in size, his home run production had increased, and after the hearings, he was found to have been juicing. The only one of the panel not "caught" was Schilling, but perhaps he was more cautious, only juicing for "special" games, especially the playoffs (which might explain why he "rose to the occasion" and was one of baseball's premiere post season pitchers)? Unfortunately, because of the number of known users at the time, everyone in that era will be suspect. Some defended their use by saying that they were using them to recover from injury. Some defend the use by saying that baseball had not yet banned the substances, but they were illegal and needed a prescription, so they were already breaking the rules. It's amazing how the steroid manufacturers have tried (and succeeded) many times to keep ahead of the testing technology. Again, to me, steroids broke that sacred ability to mathematically compare players from generation to generation. As the years pass, I am less in tune with sports in general. I am old, and in the way...

It seems 33% was the increase in production from the use of steroids, league wide in general (at, least from my calculations).

This is never ending. It is the wind chill that makes it uncomfortable and potentially dangerous to those who work outside, especially in the far northern and western parts of this forum. The fact remains that we have only been about 0.6 degrees below normal using the arbitrary previous 20 years average, and normal to slightly above normal as compared to the previous 20 years or so before that.

I know NW Jersey is considered the icebox of the state, but for most of the population in this forum, the actual temperatures are considered seasonable...

The wind chill, yes, the temperature is arguably seasonal.

Last week's temperatures were 0.6 degrees below whatever is the current normal we are using. However, when comparing to the 20 years before that one, we were actually slightly warmer than normal. The wind however made if feel unbearably cold.

Could it be debated that lack of a solid cold pool of air over eastern Canada also keeps the overnight temperatures up? Actually, I don't think Hudson Bay has much to do with the minimum temps in New Jersey. It was the wind preventing radiational cooling and an less than classic cold air mass?

A little bit more than a dusting in Garwood NJ, central Union County. Fox Wx said it was mixed rain and snow in Manhattan?

Ye old snow hole effect in effect

Ye Ol' Snow Hole of northeast Jersey...

It is being "eaten up" by the dry air as we speak. Hopefully some of it finds its way here...

While the main storm appears to remain way south of our area, there is a large snow shield all the way up to Ohio?

Some model picked up on the last storm because the forecast was exact.

I wonder if they get any good snow storms?

I debated with one poster stating that it is not really that cold, more like "Seasonable", but it is the winds making the wind chill effect unbearable.

Actually saw kids playing hockey on a local pond in Linden today! Unheard of over the last 30 years or so (sort of). Can't have snow without a cold air source. That's why I have to keep posting my snow triangle (for the NYC metro area)...

I think he meant the long range look that was depicted?

In all fairness, I have tried to kick the habit of being a sports fan of any team, but the Orange and Blue still haunt me...