George001

I don’t think both the 5th and 7th will whiff. Rain, yeah that’s a valid concern. The issue is temps, not a lack of moisture.

Models are torching the 1st half of Jan now. So much for that promised “pattern change”. Just like 2016 El Nino is derailing winter. You can come back from punting Dec, but you can’t lose Jan.

That is actually vomit inducing. Again, I can live with missing storms but it isn’t supposed to be this warm in January. Winter is defined by more than just the total seasonal snowfall, a truly good winter actually feels and looks like winter. This means plenty of cold with a sustained snowpack. Bare ground near the Canadian border isn’t normal or expected. It sucks

Give me a hugger that rains for my area and buries NNE. Good skiing conditions >>>>>>> snow at home.

I’ve come to terms with my climo living on the coastal plain, but im going to be up north skiing a lot. That’s why I’m concerned about what’s going on in NNE this year. I’m actually more pissed about the warmth and snowmelt in NNE than getting skunked at home. Hopefully the pattern improves enough that they can build a snowpack and sustain it the rest of the winter.

I’ll give credit for the pattern change verifying if Jan finishes BN temps, regardless of snow.

It’s been warm for a month straight, it shouldn’t be too much to ask for just a few weeks of cold weather but apparently it is.

So there was a lot of talk about the pattern flipping to much better after the new years. We still on schedule for that?

I’ll admit it, I do want to see multiple blizzards on the models.

Update: I’m feeling pretty good about my high end strong nino call (1.9 ONI peak seems likely). The storm track so far has been to our west, and based on how December has gone I’m feeling pretty good about that as well. There are a few things I got wrong though. One was that I expected the PDO to increase, and it actually decreased more. That could result in a more unfavorable pacific later in the winter. However, it looks like I also got the arctic pattern very wrong. I said I expected a stronger than normal PV, and a split is highly unlikely. There is now cross guidance support for a polar vortex split, and trying to be as objective as I can I’m not going to ignore that. I don’t think it will make much of a difference for my Dec-Jan forecast, but it very well could for Feb-Mar. The issue is, if we get skunked Jan it will be very difficult to make up the snowfall deficit even if we do get a favorable pattern from the PV split. The pacific is still a concern, and due to this I don’t see the truly high end months like Feb 2015, Jan 2011, Jan 2022, Mar 2018 etc being in the cards. That’s why I am sticking to my 20-30 inch snowfall forecast for the Boston area.

Yeah im feeling a bit better about early Jan than a couple of days ago due to the improved airmass. It’s not an epic Feb 2015/March 2018/Jan 2011 type pattern, but it looks serviceable for at least a bit. After this mild and snowless December I’ll take it.

We didn’t get a blizzard.

Yep, everything is completely normal. Nothing to see here, the average temps in New England being several degrees warmer than 30 years ago is completely irrelevant right? Good ol Wolfie knows more than the scientists who have been studying this shit longer than I’ve been alive.

For fucks sake AGW isn’t something you believe in or don’t. It’s happening now, was happening in 2014-2015, and will continue to happen. I got excited about the pattern last December and thought that the Nina + blocking + AGW enhanced mild ocean temps would enhance snowfall ASSUMING IT WAS COLD ENOUGH. I was wrong, simple as that. Yeah, my predictions last year were dumb and I’ll own that. I’m not forecasting those crazy numbers anymore because I listened to people who know more than I do and learned from my mistakes. Maybe you should do the same thing with AGW, but we both know you and Wolfie won’t. I’m not even going to bother explaining why 100+ inch winters such as 2014-2015 are not inconsistent with AGW. There is no point in trying to reason with you deniers. YOU are the one who is brainwashed, not me.

I mean yeah, if I had more knowledge of meteorology that would certainly help, I’m not denying that. That is why I choose to read and learn from people who know a lot more than I do such as the Pope, Bluewave, Raindance etc. Hell I’m willing to keep and open mind and listen to those who I disagree with but acknowledge know their shit better than I do. You want to listen to someone who understands meteorology rather than a hobbyist who’s still lacking in that area? That’s completely fair, but most of the forecasts I have seen are for an AN temp winter.

I mean it’s a driver (especially given the well AN ocean temps), but is it the main reason why I’m not getting snow this December? No. I’m not getting snow because I live on the coastal plain and our climo sucks in December and it’s a borderline super nino. The +10 anomalies in Canada? It’s one of many drivers. Honestly I would say AGW was a bigger culprit last December. This is just a classic Nino December, and strong nino Decembers tend to suck. 8 consecutive AN winters though? Yeah, that’s AGW related.

Assuming Dec finished +3 AN (which is conservative), if J-M averages -1 BN that takes us to average for Dec-Mar. I don’t need any actual knowledge of meteorology to predict that this winter will finish AN, it’s basic math. Even the more optimistic posters like Brooklyn and Ray understand and acknowledge this. Assuming an equal probability of AN/BN (again this is conservative, as it doesn’t take AGW, and the strong El Niño into account), an average rest of winter will finish AN due to how warm December will end up being.

Yeah, you got me there.

Fair enough, but based on what I’m seeing my opinion is that we are going to be fighting temps for most of this winter. Borderline super nino, strong -PDO, roaring pacific jet, and record low snow cover for our source regions. The Pope brought this up multiple times, but people keep ignoring it. Instead of ignoring him, I am choosing to read and learn from his posts. He knows his shit, and he’s usually right.

Good ol AGW denying Wolfie calling people dummies. Pot calling the kettle black much?

I’m not denying that we can get snow. It absolutely can snow with AN temp anomalies in New England, but you aren’t building a snowpack with this post 2015 temp profile.

Make me bitch

I mean for fucks sake we haven’t had a BN winter since 2014-2015. Looks like we will have a decent chance at a 9th consecutive AN winter.

Not seeing cold air on the long range guidance. Even in the very long range the BN anomalies are confined to the south. NNE is AN.

Nope don’t want to hear anything about it being “delayed”. Either it’s going to happen or it isn’t. If it doesn’t happen when we expected, instead of moving the goalposts it makes sense to just give up and admit to being wrong.