vortex95

Absolute values given taken snapshot are not the same as longer-term values. In the end, it's what occurs over a long period of time and how it all averages out, rather than individual events. And what you chose as a period of time matters. We tend to think in very short time periods, contaminated by recency bias and the lack of full knowledge of wx history. And the concept of "wins the debate" is a flawed premise. What matters in science are facts and the truth. It does not care about who "wins" or "loses."

You forget about HAARP!!!

W/ the strong UHI bias that occur here even during that day, it is very likely that PHX would not have hit 105 F for the past 3 days (105 F is the max the last 3 days). You can't leave this out of the discussion and act like this is not a factor. Otherwise, it is a lie of omission. PHX is located in the heart of the downtown, not typical for a major airport, but that's how it is. As a result, a warm bias exists strongly. Ever look how PHX has grown since 1870? It is among the fastest-growing cites out there, and still is. Look at population growth alone in the mid-20th century, and at the same time a significant spike in avg temps occurred that does not exist nearly to this extent outside the city. A similar issue exists in LAS. So you really can't compare many records of today as objectively hotter/hottest when a concrete jungle leads to a consistent warm bias. And this systematic bias exists in various degrees at many climate stations around the world b/c they are located in populated areas that experience growth over time.

I'm taking about the MSM in general, not this group. Not saying the heat in the Desert SW is not impressive and record-breaking, but one needs to hear the entire story and know history for proper perspective to make good assessments and reasonable opinions. A major problem is that narratives and stories are all too often one-sided.

I don't see how that is relevant. Picking one type of record w/o looking at the big picture does not tell the entire story. But if you want to use that notion, has Phoenix or any other climate location in the Lower 48 have had such persistent, long-term cold all winter that has set records for duration/frequency? Or how did 40 of 50 states set their all-time March record 50+ years ago and most 95+ years ago? And that is more telling and representative b/c it was not a single heat event and it was spread out over much of the country. Also, March 1879 had a similar high heat in the Desert SW. PHX hit 100 F on March 3, 1879, 15 days earlier that the official first 100 set on March 18 this month, and that same month, PHX hit 112 F on March 30, 4 F higher than any temp in this current heat wave, and this was before any UHI, which PHX is among the worst placed sites for UHI bias for a U.S. climate site (Baltimore/Inner Harbor is likely the worst). The start of official continuous PHX records is 1895, but that does not mean you ignore what occurred before any climate station period of record (this data can be found at NCEI). That would be like ignoring the major 1635 and 1815 hurricanes that hit SNE b/c BOS official climate record starts in 1872. Or the Great Snow of 1717.

Regarding the West heat... Ever notice that the opposite is largely ignored? How about central AK this winter? FAI records in infographic attached that still continue currently (31 days now w/ lows -40 or below and now up to 140 in a row not exceeding 32). FAI is running -22.6 F for the month so far. Or the extent of below avg temps across North America earlier in the week? You can't focus on just one area and run w/ that. Or how about all-time state record March highs? The attached map is not updated for the new state records in CA/NV/AZ/UT and the 98 in MA I think is off, but take note that 40 of 50 states set their March all-time record highs 50+ years ago, and most them 95+ years ago. What caused it all then? All valid points here.

The winter of the "strong" clippers. Can't recall so many clippers over-performing in a winter here.

"12 Inches of Snow" How creative for an album title given his name! LOL.

I was looking at CLI sites mainly. I know some areas less, but also some areas more!

5" Brunswick ME Thursday. 3-6" NNE Friday, now 6-12" for much of NNE Sun-Mon, and two more clippers w/ accumulating snow NNE later next week. Well, unlike SNE, NNE is "only" close to avg snowfall season-to-date, except far N ME which is below. So CoastalWx needs to learn to share, even though he was "DONE" w/ NNE earlier this winter!

There were significant issues at many climate sites when ASOS was installed in the mid 90s concerning snowfall. Some sites like ORH have big gaps in the record b/c of this. So I would avoid F6 data when it is obvious it does not jibe w/ surrounding reports. And even when snow observations were set at climate sites were set post-ASOS, we know just from BOS the issues were still rife. And how about DCA official snowfall for the Bliz of '16?, what a joke when you look at other reports in the metro area.

CoastalWx will LUV the Feb 1995 event snow map!!! "NOR'EASTER '95" was the tagline how WBZ lead their news that day (he has told me that many times), and I think that was the first time CoastalWx realized the cheesy hype wx was becoming in the MSM (Hurricane Andrew and Bliz of 93 not long before were the catalysts)!

Check out these historical snowstorms for NC: https://x.com/webberweather/status/2017664133848830174 https://x.com/webberweather/status/2017748647543509317 The March 1927 event - HOLY ( )!!!, and we thought what happened this season was impressive in NC?? So you may want to contact this person as to where and how gets all his snowfall data. Actually, he lists his sources on the snowfall map attached! I think there is a lot data out there you could use to produce in detail many pre mid-1990s events for SNE.

I might actually have saved text files for the biggest storms from the early and mid 90s (PNS and other bulletins). I'll get to that in the next few days, along w/ stuff from individual storms from New England snow books that cover every year from the early 70s to the mid 90s.

Perhaps the mega snow weenies on this group can shed some light here. Snow total reports that always had bugged me from the Dec 11-12, 1992 blockbuster (the one that started it all - meaning ending the overall "lame" snow period 1978-79 to 1991-92 for the most epic period ev-A!) Below is the NWS BOS summary for the storm. The 48" report at Savoy and Plainfield MA I find suspicious, esp. since they are both at an even 4 feet! Also, the 40" at Sandisfield, next town over in Otis had 33" and both towns are very close in elevation. I can believe 36" max from this storm, but not 40"+. On Dec 3 there was a big snowstorm in the Berkshires w/ 19" at Monterey and 15" at Peru (side note: that 19" was the highest single storm snowfall in MA in nearly 5 years), so I have to wonder if the 40"+ totals were a result of including previous SOG. This was before the NWS modernization, which started in SNE late 1993. Before this time, spotter training was not organized and they did not aggressively reach out to the public ("send us your reports!") for wx events. So how snow was measured was all over the place and not standardized. This is significant b/c we can count on one hand how many times since the late 19th century SNE has had single storm snowfalls 40" or larger. Only two I know of prior to 1992 -- 1888 and 1978, the 100 hr storm in Feb 1969 was really close - 39" at Rockport MA). OTHER PUBLIC PRODUCTS..FINAL CORRECTED STORM ESTIMATES.. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BOSTON MA 805 PM EST MON DEC 14 1992 TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS FROM THE DECEMBER 11...12 1992 SNOW STORM. WORCESTER NWS 32.1 BLUE HILL NWS 16 BOSTON NWS 9.2 HARTFORD NWS 5.1 PROVIDENCE NWS 3.5 SPECIAL OBSERVERS TO THE NWS THROUGH PRIVATE SECTOR/DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS. WHILE THIS WAS AN ELEVATION SNOWSTORM IN WESTERN MASSACHUSETTS... CONNECTICUT AND RHODE ISLAND...ENOUGH COLD AIR ENTERED THE PICTURE SATURDAY MORNING TO TURN THIS INTO A GENERAL SNOWSTORM...ALBEIT A WET AND MANAGEABLE SNOW...EVEN FOR LOWER ELEVATIONS OF INTERIOR EASTERN MASSACHUSETTS. ****CORRECTIONS TO ADD DRACUT/MEDWAY/MARBLEHEAD...ADJUST PEABODY/ ARLINGTON SAVOY 48 PLAINFIELD 48 SANDISFIELD 40 ADAMS 36 OTIS 33 PITTSFIELD 30 HOPKINTON 28 NORTH ADAMS 24 PHILLIPSTON 24 FRAMINGHAM 24 MEDWAY 22 DRACUT 20 LOWELL 20 BLACKSTONE 20 GROVELAND 20 LEOMINSTER 18 WESTBOROUGH 18 WOBURN 18 GEORGETOWN 16 BILLERICA 16 TEWKSBURY 16 ARLINGTON 16 PEABODY 16 HAVERHILL 14 PEPPERELL 13 METHUEN 13 MAYNARD 13 CANTON 11 BROCKTON 11 FOXBORO 10 WESTFIELD (BAF) 7 NEWBURY 6 BEVERLY 6 TAUNTON 6 MANSFIELD 5 MARBLEHEAD TRACE ON THE NECK TO 4 INCHES INTERIOR ACUSHNET 3 MIDDLEBOROUGH 3 NORTH AMHERST 3 CHICOPEE FALLS 2

Before the NWS started issuing PNSs, they used OPUs (other public products). Reports from the early-mid 90s from BOS and PVD can be found here. https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/old.phtml Enter OPUBOS and OPUPVD and go back 1500 bulletins. Most notable is totals from the Dec 11-12, 1992 blockbuster (not one CoastalWx wants to recall b/c of how screwed he got in Brockton! LOL.) OTHER PUBLIC PRODUCTS..FINAL CORRECTED STORM ESTIMATES.. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BOSTON MA 805 PM EST MON DEC 14 1992 TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS FROM THE DECEMBER 11...12 1992 SNOW STORM. WORCESTER NWS 32.1 BLUE HILL NWS 16 BOSTON NWS 9.2 HARTFORD NWS 5.1 PROVIDENCE NWS 3.5 SPECIAL OBSERVERS TO THE NWS THROUGH PRIVATE SECTOR/DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS. WHILE THIS WAS AN ELEVATION SNOWSTORM IN WESTERN MASSACHUSETTS... CONNECTICUT AND RHODE ISLAND...ENOUGH COLD AIR ENTERED THE PICTURE SATURDAY MORNING TO TURN THIS INTO A GENERAL SNOWSTORM...ALBEIT A WET AND MANAGEABLE SNOW...EVEN FOR LOWER ELEVATIONS OF INTERIOR EASTERN MASSACHUSETTS. ****CORRECTIONS TO ADD DRACUT/MEDWAY/MARBLEHEAD...ADJUST PEABODY/ ARLINGTON SAVOY 48 PLAINFIELD 48 SANDISFIELD 40 ADAMS 36 OTIS 33 PITTSFIELD 30 HOPKINTON 28 NORTH ADAMS 24 PHILLIPSTON 24 FRAMINGHAM 24 MEDWAY 22 DRACUT 20 LOWELL 20 BLACKSTONE 20 GROVELAND 20 LEOMINSTER 18 WESTBOROUGH 18 WOBURN 18 GEORGETOWN 16 BILLERICA 16 TEWKSBURY 16 ARLINGTON 16 PEABODY 16 HAVERHILL 14 PEPPERELL 13 METHUEN 13 MAYNARD 13 CANTON 11 BROCKTON 11 FOXBORO 10 WESTFIELD (BAF) 7 NEWBURY 6 BEVERLY 6 TAUNTON 6 MANSFIELD 5 MARBLEHEAD TRACE ON THE NECK TO 4 INCHES INTERIOR ACUSHNET 3 MIDDLEBOROUGH 3 NORTH AMHERST 3 CHICOPEE FALLS 2

ZR = FZRA and IP = PL. Precip codes used prior and after METAR format was adopted in 1996 in the U.S.

He didn't. Just his uber weenie status and working w/ him for 10 years warrants a lot of "digs"!

I'll dig out of my archives soon booklets I have that summarize all snow events for SNE from the early 1970s to the mid 1990s. I'll take pix of the more significant ones, and send them along.

CoastalWx probably gives it a "C" b/c "all that cold and all we could get is two lousy 20"+ storms in Weymouth!!" And he was so "done" w/ NNE getting it all so early!

Bookend winter, like 1981-82. Early Dec big S+ (and big bust surprise) and then April blizzard!

Yes the first one, I recall that morning, scud off the ocean up the wazoo. Definitely did not look like a pre-snowstorm environment! Too mild. But the convective nature of the storm did its magic across SNE. Big surprise. The second one R/S mix in Woburn w/ .3" of slush when I left for WSI at 1130pm. Got to Rt 3 in Burlington, S+ and quite a ride. Trees and branches all leaning over on the highway (this was when it was still 2 lanes). Pulled into work, and the power when out. Worked a midshift on backup power. Not too bad. Just whiny ppl call saying Intellicast was not available. Those servers were not on the UPS. I got one caller say "people are gonna DIE b/c Intellicast is not available!!!" Yeah, yeah, whatever, I felt like quoting Butt-head and saying, "Hey, it's FREE asswipe!!!" Not a paying client/customer. Scott was probably mad it was down b/c that was one of the only sites that had radar at the time (NWS radar data was not free on the web until 1999).

Dec 6-7, 1996. Two sig snow nor'easters in two calendar days. That is exceptional. I know of no other so short time period events for the region, at least in the last 50 years. First storm was tightly wrapped 990 mb low that dumped max of 18" at Cornwall CT and 17.6" at Worthington MA (wet glop that stayed on the trees for the next storm). Then a much larger, more classic coastal came in the evening of the following day w/ 19.5" at New Ipswich NH, 18" at Ashburnham MA, and 16.5" at Union CT (wet glop again that turned to rain many area). So the result w/ 900k w/o power, 500k in MA alone. Biggest power outage for NH up to this time. CoastalWx lamenting in Brockton once again I bet for that event. Funniest thing I recall was the huge lines at DD's the following morning of the second storm (Sunday) in places like Bedford MA. B/c it was largely rain here but not even 5 mi N, wet snow disaster w/ no power. So no one could make coffee and were flocking S to get their fix!

Brockton or GHG at the time? Yah, but you just had the Bliz of 97 9 months earlier! "I want everything IMBY no matter what!!!" LOL.

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