RevWarReenactor

Thanks! Good to talk to you. Maybe we've had the snow climo discussion before ;-) So I guess I am just not right about that. I am not sure why I thought it was similar. Maybe living in Mon County in 2010 and watching DC colored my perception.

It didn't seem like a banding issue to me. This was all directed straight up I-95, and yes, its sleet, but its pretty juicy. Meanwhile this same band hit up in Mon County, and spots there are reporting 9 inches of fresh snow tonight. They have the same climo as down here basically. So they have 40 inches on the year, and here we have about 6 inches? That to me is just awful luck. That 40 inches on the season represents to me what DC/Baltimore could have had this year had things "gone a little different".

I am so glad I don't do this to myself anymore. Not going to lie though I had a moment. Just a short one right now. But really you can't make it up. Just unbelievable bad luck we've had. At some point this bad luck has to end, right? Please PSU, make it stop?

LOL. Doing well thanks. I can no longer post for mental health reasons (without getting too offtopic) Just decided to do a quick pop in. Hope all is well with you!

IF the Euro is correct. The I-95 corridor from Baltimore up to Wilmington has been getting absolutely boned this year. I feel your pain. Snow to the south, snow to the north, snow to the east, snow to the west. But I still have hope. If you don't have hope what do you got?

Okay, thanks. I definitely don't get the full effects of either bay. During one of March metlathons in 2018, Havre De Grace had nothing but white rain, and as I drove northeast up route 40 to my house, we managed 2-3 inches from the same storm. It was completely a bay related issue in HDG.

Thanks. Thats right where I am near that Elkton spot, so thats good to know. I was going to say, I can't imagine the Elk River having that much of an impact....there isn't much to it.

Thanks for the explanation. I think this kind of explains why my expectations are out of wack. I actually went from a seasonal average of 24-27 inches, to one of 10-15 inches, at least according to that map, when this whole time, I thought it was pretty balanced from where I use to live. But its very depressing to see, that its actually a significant difference. I figured moving west negated the move south, at least some, but it actually doesn't, at all. That is depressing. I figured living 15 miles from a bay wouldn't actually be anywhere near as bad as living 5 miles from an entire ocean. Wrong again. I guess I just didn't research this enough and I actually did kind of research it from a meteorological perspective before I bought. I figured I am in Northern Delaware, and Delaware gets decent snow, but being in northern Delaware makes no difference. Being 80 miles west of AC makes no difference, being 80 miles northwest of Cape May, again, no difference. I am only 40 miles southwest of Philly and they do good, not NYC good, but Jersey shore good. It doesn't matter. I didn't factor in elevation having as big of an impact. But in fact, elevation is basically.....everything here. So I guess I only have myself to blame. But I appreciate the explanation! I guess we kind of cracked the mystery as to why I am so perplexed by this lack of snow. I get the same snowfall as Lewes Delaware, 100 miles due south. LOL

Okay, thanks, I think I am better understanding things and I appreciate you explaining it. I think maybe part of the problem here, is that I lived on the Jersey shore until 2010. I always thought DC and Jersey shore were pretty well balanced in terms of what they would expect with snowfall. In fact, I've been told as much. But its seems to be very far from the case. As I stated before, I am about 80 miles west of Atlantic City, which you think would make a difference in snowfall. It doesn't. So maybe part of this is me trying to adjust to the lie, that the west component makes up for the southern component. It doesn't. Might as well consider myself 120 miles due south of where I once lived. I think as far as DC goes, I thought they got more snow. Maybe I was partially tricked by the 2009 season where they got blasted while up at the Jersey shore we watched. Or Jan 2000 where we did well, but DC did better. I thought that southern slider thing benefitted DC often. It doesn't. In fact, in terms of snowfall, nothing seems to benefit us. its too far south, too far north, too warm, too cold. Its rarely ever right. DC is Cape May NJ. With that said, I will concede that my expectations are wrong, but they are justified in being wrong because of lies that were told about the climo here. Because from the Jersey shore perspective, 2000-2010 wasn't as bad as depicted above. We had misses, we had bad years, but we had storms too. Storms that I had assumed DC also benefitted from. But it didn't As an example in 2006 we got about a foot from that mini Blizzard, DC got 5.9 inches? LOL geez. Even 2001-2002 featured a 4 inch snow in January. DC didn't get that one either. 2006-2007 we had a decent amount of snowfall and a really neat ice storm or two. DC didn't get that either. The climo isn't the same. Its messing with my thinking. I just need to get out of this area I guess. I am actually okay with imperfect stuff, but the last 4+ years has all been imperfect, which has made things seems worse than they've actually been. Again, last year winter was actually decent. But it was decent in March. No matter how decent that is, it won't feel decent when you virtually shutout January and Feb, something we've been quite good at doing here for quite a few years.

It looks like its been more of a problem in the last decade, and not the last 2 decades. 2006 was alright, 2008 was alright, 2009 was....well..... 2002 was great, 2004 was alright. Its only in the last decade that its really been feast or famine. Is that proof that this is a trend? I don't know. Maybe you are right and we will continue to post less than 5 inch winters in anything other than a NINO winter, but that will be a huge drastic shift in just a decade, where prior to that other non NINOs were fair to decent. If we get good winters 30% of the time, than the last 4 years is below average because statistically we were due for a good winter in that period, you could say we were balancing out for the previous years, but we had two other crap winters prior to that in the same decade. I will admit that some of the reason the last 4 years have been crappy is timing of snowfall. Last year actually was decent, but March snowfall was what made it that way. Same with the year before that. But it still doesn't change that the last 4 years are historically bad. I think you are wrong about my views on snowfall; I can live with years with median snowfall. Again, last year was actually decent for me, it just all fell as March meltathons. Same with the year prior. The year of the "Blizzard" sucked because it was all loaded into one storm, a storm that dry slotted my area. Timing of snow, combined with below average snowfall in general has made this a very miserable run.

I'd be curious to know which years since 2000, weren't NINO. Chances are there are some years where we did get snow. I find it hard to believe there isn't. I swear there was a NINA year where we got destroyed. 2002-2003?? Snow is an emotional thing for me, but its not about being mad at the atmosphere, its more about being mad at the mental gynmatics being done to try to justify a year where we got a fraction of an inch of snow as "normal". Even factoring in that years can be hit or miss here, even factoring in climate change, this stretch is not normal. It is a fluke not to luck into something. We got nothing this year. Literally nothing. Without question the worst year in my 38 years on this earth. Historically bad. Not normal. Thats really all I ask. Crappy patterns can and often do produce results. Last year as an example. Actually pretty much any year. This year's pattern was horrendous, and it snowed 400 miles south of here. North Carolina, in a horrendous pattern; got 5 inches of snow. Proof we can still luck into snow in a bad pattern, and often do. So I am not really even sure it was a pattern problem or a climate change issue. Its just historically horrible.

I don't deny climate change has a hand in it, but looking at stats I am not sure there is enough there for you to make the argument that climate change has made what we are experiencing now "normal". Having one of the worst winters on record is not normal, nor is it fully the result of climate change. We literally had a fraction of an inch total. Philly went the entire month of Feb without any snow, that has never happened. I guess I just don't understand why you have an anti snow bias and try to paint snowless winters as normal. If we got 50 inches of snow this year, you'd be calling it essentially a once in a lifetime experience. So you should also be calling a winter where Philly got .3 inches of snow, essentially a once in a lifetime event. Because that's what it is. There simply isn't enough people on here saying how horrible this winter was and when people do, its dismissed as "complaints" or "no actually this is normal". Its not. Plain and simple.

DC has now had the worst 4 year snowless stretch in the history of record keeping. Can we make it official? This is not "normal". We are not "due for a bad year".

I am glad to see there will be no March turnaround. Bring on Spring!

This tactic doesn't work. Done the whole log off for 2 weeks and came back to find 2 more weeks of winter was gone and it was still doom and gloom. Its happened 3-4 times.

It would seem the publi beach access and up to the wet area of the beach is public property. Obviously I can't walk onto someone's property to access that beach, but I certainly can access the beach in front of their house via another means, setup a chair, and they can't do a darn thing about it. Me and my friends use to go to Deal Beach and access from a public beach, and the Rich jerk who's house was there would always call the cops, cops would show up to tell the rich dude he was wrong. Good times.

On public property. Peaceful. Not harming anyone. There are no broken laws there. The govt can't close public property and charge you with a crime. Its different if my presence could harm someone else (such as standing in the middle of an interstate). What they do is unconstitutional. I have argued with people who've told me to leave beaches. They always tell me the cops will come and "take me away". Its all hot air. No cops ever show and if they did, they cant do anything. I've broken no laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly

It's a valid point; and I wouldn't want any responder putting their life in danger for someone who didn't heed a mandatory evacuation. Then again, a responder always goes into dangerous situations to rescue people who put themselves in harms way. Where is the line? At what point are you infringing on my rights as a citizen to peacefully assemble on public property? I've been told that a beach was "closed" for 50 mph winds from some tropical storm 100 miles off the coast. That is infringing upon my rights. Because if we are going to go down that road then chasing is illegal. Are we ready to prosecute chasers? Are we ready to arrest people for exercising their constitutional rights?

Different set of circumstances. There are security risks with that. There are no security risks to standing on a public beach or other public property. LOL

Yep, bill em. But also stop doing unconstitutional things like closing public areas during Hurricanes. You can't close a beach. You can't tell me I can't be on public land. I don't know how these chasers actually get away with what they do. When Sandy hit, NJ beaches were essentially closed. It was illegal to be there. Which is unconstitutional to the max. So in summary. I can be on whatever public land whenever I want, if EMS can't reach me, or bills me for services, or I die because of my stupidity; that is on me.

Consensus is pretty crazy. Looks like Morehead City/ Beaufort/Emerald Isle are finished. Its really a shame. Been vacationing there since 1990. It really been built up a lot in the last 10 years. Bogue inlet pier has survived Fran, Bertha in 1996, and all the rest since. They just installed a brand new pierhouse. Thats all bye bye if this goes as forecasted. All those new million dollar houses on the beach with no protection.......

I am in Delaware and I go to the Mid Atlantic Forum. This place is dead. My weather doesn't always conform to DC, but areas as far north as northeast MD do get mentioned which is only 50 miles from Philly. It's also better on the days with a more northern snowstorm where DC gets 2 inches and I am looking at 6 inches and I can feel like I am in the sweet spot VS going to a NYC subforum and feeling like I am getting hosed.

I quit my idea of being a MET after my first year in college. The math I needed was RIDICULOUS. I am SO glad I got out. I have a good job that I like and I am making more now than I would have being a MET. I can still have meteorology as a hobby. No problem with that.