LibertyBell

I so clearly remember this- I think the first time I realized its importance was before the storm in April 1996. If you remember Chris, we had an intense night of radiational cooling here on Long Island the night before the big storm and clouds started moving in just at daybreak, which was ideal in limiting the warmth of the sun while maximizing the radiational cooling that occured the night before the storm. I noticed that the storm was snow right from the outset here on the south shore of Nassau County with temps in the mid 30s and the rain/snow line stayed well south of us through the entire event and as the snow got heavier around 4 PM in the afternoon the skies got darker and the temps started to drop and the snow even started to stick to the roads before the sun set.

How long before we see a sub 900mb monster "Cat 5" low in the Arctic regions?

I'd be extremely cautious in calling Canada progressive. I'm sure you know about Alberta's dirty tar sands projects that are polluting wildlife areas and they are scaling up production of dirty fossil fuels (forecast to double within the 10 years), even with all the widespread protests by the native american communities as well as environmental activists. They could keep that going for 400 years if they were to completely take all the carbon out of the ground there. So let me ask you this-- why should the Trudeau administration be viewed as anything other than a lying hypocrisy that needs to be voted out when they are scaling up production of dirty fossil fuels from the Tar Sands? Why are they going backwards when we should all be going forwards and how should we as a global community be punishing them to de-incentivize this kind of bad behavior? We should be punishing ALL nations that do bad behavior like this that has global implications.

too many lol and all of them between 4th grade and high school graduation for me (and also my first couple of years of college).

looks like anywhere from 2-6 for my part of the Poconos at 2000 ft.

or north and west of Philly for that matter

and my high school winters

whats with these two different numbers listed for Upton? SUFFOLK COUNTY... UPTON (NATIONAL WX SERVICE) 7.9 500 PM (6.7 ON THE GROUND)

Yeah same here, 15-16 inches on the western part of the south shore of LI and no changeover

15-16 inches here in SW Nassau County, was amazing to see on a track like that, it never changed over.

PS also something a bit extra if you can find the info on this.....can you post a list of all the storms that've dropped 20" or more at one of the NYC official stations (NYC/EWR/JFK/LGA) and also dropped 20" or more at either ABE or MPO?

actually two of the very best occurred in the 70s and 80s.....Feb 1978 and Feb 1983. I recently found out that my second home in the Poconos got 30" in Feb 1978 and also over 2 feet in Feb 1983, that's pretty amazing considering that my first home on Long Island also got over 2 feet from the same storms! There's a select list of only a few storms that have dropped two feet plus in both locations; Jan 1996, Feb 2003 and Jan 2016 are also on that list.

Chris can you post the full list- some of those got cut off, I counted only 11 on the dates I could see. This list also includes the two big ones in 1978! So it's 16 and not 14? PS also something a bit extra if you can find the info on this.....can you post a list of all the storms that've dropped 20" or more at one of the NYC official stations (NYC/EWR/JFK/LGA) and also dropped 20" or more at either ABE or MPO?

and thats the classic solution during the time period we've been outlining....the potential is there, it remsins to be seen if it is realized. all of those were amazing, but there is a wide spectrum within that envelop.....addressing the ones that weren't perfect for us......2/79 was actually a little too suppressed, we got close to a foot of snow here but the historic amounts were just south of us, 2/94 was a dumping of snow followed by a changeover to rain, still double digit snowfall here (sort of similar to the December event)....2/06 had a narrow band of heavy snow concentrated near the city, with lesser amounts outside of that death band, every other storm in that list was historic for a large part of the area though.

I think he means something like Jan 1996 or Feb 2003 or Feb 1983

fyi I went through the list of the late 80s and early 90s winters and what it proved to me is even in the worst so-called "patterns" this area has EVER had we somehow still managed to score 6-9 inch snowfalls....and if you correct that for higher precip totals we now see in our new climate, it explains why we've been seeing such high intensity precip bombs for the last 10 years or so. Add to that that it doesn't have to be below normal temp to get big snowstorms here during the most favored period for snow, mid January onwards (some of the aforementioned snowstorms had temps in the 50s and 60s the day prior to the event and again right afterwards- I'm perfectly happy with that!), then it doesn't really matter what the long term so called "pattern" is. Also I honestly dont give a shit if the entire winter averages 40 degrees or higher, all that matters is that it's in the low 30s when a big storm comes in. We dont judge winters here by cold, we judge them by inches of snow. We already had one decent event and one more will get us to average snowfall for the entire winter and that's a lot more than me and many of us were thinking at the start of the season.

yes I see you are more gungho about mid January onwards which historically is the best time period for snowstorms for us, irrespective of what the so-called "pattern" is.

The anomalous Kara Block was also involved in the big turnaround from December 2015 to the HECS we saw in the third week of January in 2016. It's amazing we had 14 straight hours of 1-2 inches of snowfall and not some fly by night event either, it was a real day time full on blizzard.

Midland has gotten like 5 8"+ events since 1998

wow 1995 is the most memorable example but it also happened several times in the early 2000s.....warmer SST causing this?

Kara block....where have we heard that before

Don how strong was the one we had a few years ago that resulted in the four storms in March and one in April?

So that's now three years in a row

The Poconos is a good place to be for this one!

yeah it's ludicrous especially with all the events undermeasured there-- let's start with Jan 1996..... it's 30 inches plain and simple if not more, let's just admit it and move on.